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Posted by Sonny Phipps on 08-31-2021 01:22 PM:

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Lol. Common sense does exist, but seems like it disappears when a Scorecard comes into play. How about the Golden Rule of doing unto others as you would have done unto you. Sadly, this disappears way to often when a Scorecard comes into play. I have never understood why anyone would want to win in a crooked way. It should ALWAYS be the best dog winning if the men have any HONOR at all. Dave

Dave, I understand what you’re saying , but the real issue lays within people’s opinion. Example : this dog has a monster mouth, you say it has a good mouth. I say this dog hunts hard, you say it hunts average. So much of this sport is opinion of folks. Now we are in a cast and my dog makes a tree and coon is found in next tree over, I see a limb that grows over into the tree and honestly feel the coon could have crossed, you don’t honestly think it could have so now we have no criteria to consider and both of us feel we are within what is correct……

I know no set of rules will not be perfect for every situation and sometimes a dog will take a bad break. I do feel that a definition of what that criteria is would be a better way to approach it. Let’s just say these as a example : the tree has to be connected physically and it has a very small vine running over to the tree with a coon in it (too small for what most think a coon would cross out on) so then the break goes in favor of the dog and it’s plus. Maybe the tree is not touching but had two limbs the diameter of your leg a couple inches apart and the coon is even sitting on that same limb in the adjacent tree, dogs takes a bad break and gets minus.

Just a couple things to think about

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-31-2021 04:48 PM:

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Originally posted by ov_blues
Whether to score the tree the dogs are treeing on or adjacent trees is the judges decision. Barring a non hunting judge, it would take the majority of the cast to overturn his ruling. Then when which tree/trees are to be secured the cast vote tree scoring rules would be applied. Which trees to be scored and how they are scored are two separate issues.

I am afraid that "scoring of trees" is one of the instances that goes directly to a cast vote. There is a rule for that.

Posted by Dave Richards on 09-01-2021 02:09 AM:

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Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
Dave, I understand what you’re saying , but the real issue lays within people’s opinion. Example : this dog has a monster mouth, you say it has a good mouth. I say this dog hunts hard, you say it hunts average. So much of this sport is opinion of folks. Now we are in a cast and my dog makes a tree and coon is found in next tree over, I see a limb that grows over into the tree and honestly feel the coon could have crossed, you don’t honestly think it could have so now we have no criteria to consider and both of us feel we are within what is correct……

I know no set of rules will not be perfect for every situation and sometimes a dog will take a bad break. I do feel that a definition of what that criteria is would be a better way to approach it. Let’s just say these as a example : the tree has to be connected physically and it has a very small vine running over to the tree with a coon in it (too small for what most think a coon would cross out on) so then the break goes in favor of the dog and it’s plus. Maybe the tree is not touching but had two limbs the diameter of your leg a couple inches apart and the coon is even sitting on that same limb in the adjacent tree, dogs takes a bad break and gets minus.

Just a couple things to think about

Sonny, I agree that there are various things that folks can have a different opinion or viewpoint about, that's ALWAYS going to be as certain things are surely objective such as hunt, mouth, and even looks. My remarks are directed to those who lie about things or use a different measuring stick on their dogs as opposed to the other man's dog. I really wonder how they view the same situation different when pleasure hunting than they do competition hunting. I like to think my measuring stick applies to mine and other dogs the same. I like to think that I judge things the same pleasure hunting by myself or competition hunting with a cast. A man should be consistent in everything he does. Dave

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Posted by ov_blues on 09-01-2021 02:28 AM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I am afraid that "scoring of trees" is one of the instances that goes directly to a cast vote. There is a rule for that.

I don’t believe you are correct on that as it pertains to which tree/trees will be “scored”. That is a judges decision. Then what is or isn’t up the tree/trees is up to the cast vote.

But I could be wrong. Been known to happen but I do remember this same discussion before and I used to think it was up to a cast vote until then.

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Posted by lblhunter on 09-03-2021 02:56 AM:

It is the judges decision if a coon could cross to the next tree. So the nonhunting judges decision is final. The hunting judge also decides if a coon could cross out but his decision can be questioned and the cast vote on it and overturn his decision. Afraid thats all your getting in a written rule Richard.
Its under non hunting/ hunting judges rule 2a.

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