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Re: Outstanding Track Dogs

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
I've never known an owner of this type of dog that didn't have the problem of finding a dog of equal or superior ability to breed them too. Usually breeding them to a NICE dog of lesser ability, just produces more Nice dogs and not Outstanding Track Dogs. Just my opinion. Ken Risley

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Dan imo you just spoke the cold hard facts. I tried for many years to breed for the exceptional dog and then you have to keep up with all the pups you raise and then be able to reconize it. I always liked to buy back the one whose owner complained he couldn't tell if it was running a deer or coon.

Would an exceptional dog from 10-15 years ago just be an average dog today?

Years ago

In 1979 I was hunting a grade English male dog. He would open on the cold track drifted out open again and keep doing that till he got it warmed up and going. When we were running coon in those Ohio cornfields around and around sometimes he would shut up and cut over and catch the coon on the ground or make it tree. Surely there are people breeding for that kind of dog today.

Kellers Mike-Best English that Hunted With

In the 70s I had hunted several times with Bud Keller of Collins, Mo. and Keller's Mike. He was an outstanding coon dog and one of the top 5 coon dogs that I'ved hunted with in my life.
Bud was a fur buyer and hide hunted hard in Nebraska each year as they were open all year at that time. He was a Gr Nt Ch and had won something like 31 out of 32 cast in the Springfield. Mo. - KC circuit. He was single registered and produced balanced dogs, but I never seen any that could match his tracking ability. The Mick dog that I had at the time and Mike were about equal. I'd suggest that you find some of that bloodline if you like english. I've heard that the Lightfoot english were good trackdogs, but have no personal experience. My experience with taking others opinion on trackdogs has been disappointing most of the time. Ken Risley

Re: Kellers Mike-Best English that Hunted With

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
In the 70s I had hunted several times with Bud Keller of Collins, Mo. and Keller's Mike. He was an outstanding coon dog and one of the top 5 coon dogs that I'ved hunted with in my life.
Bud was a fur buyer and hide hunted hard in Nebraska each year as they were open all year at that time. He was a Gr Nt Ch and had won something like 31 out of 32 cast in the Springfield. Mo. - KC circuit. He was single registered and produced balanced dogs, but I never seen any that could match his tracking ability. The Mick dog that I had at the time and Mike were about equal. I'd suggest that you find some of that bloodline if you like english. I've heard that the Lightfoot english were good trackdogs, but have no personal experience. My experience with taking others opinion on trackdogs has been disappointing most of the time. Ken Risley

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Would an exceptional dog from 10-15 years ago just be an average dog today?

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Re: Kellers Mike-Best English that Hunted With

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
In the 70s I had hunted several times with Bud Keller of Collins, Mo. and Keller's Mike. He was an outstanding coon dog and one of the top 5 coon dogs that I'ved hunted with in my life.
Bud was a fur buyer and hide hunted hard in Nebraska each year as they were open all year at that time. He was a Gr Nt Ch and had won something like 31 out of 32 cast in the Springfield. Mo. - KC circuit. He was single registered and produced balanced dogs, but I never seen any that could match his tracking ability. The Mick dog that I had at the time and Mike were about equal. I'd suggest that you find some of that bloodline if you like english. I've heard that the Lightfoot english were good trackdogs, but have no personal experience. My experience with taking others opinion on trackdogs has been disappointing most of the time. Ken Risley

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Kellers mike

Thank you for the information. I have strongly considered a pup from mr. Wilcox in the past and it seems that Keller Mike is in those pedigrees. It seems many thought he was quite the dog.
I have decided to wait on a walker pup due from a cross about mid summer.
If that doesn’t happen then i will go English! Thank you for, fellas, for the input.

Dogs

Keller Mike was half running dog if I'm correct also Boyd's little Joe and the Lightfoot dogs were said to come from the same genetics on 1 side of there pedigree also from fox hounds it looks like the track power could be in a line of running hounds also today

One Way To Identifying An Outstanding Dog

The average dog today is much better than the average dog 20 years ago, but there never has been many at the level that I'm talking about. I've observed that hunting an outstanding track dog with other dogs will make "pack dogs" out of " loaners" or the other dogs will just disappear for the night. The other dogs know that of they can't compete so they don't. If you've never seen this then you have yet to experience excellence no matter how old you are or how much you've hunted.

How do true "loaners" know they are getting out tracked and can't compete when they are running different tracks?

I've seen times where true "loaners" are mistaken to be "pack dogs", by "track dogs" that cover the true loaner barking all over the woods and the owner doesn't realize it.

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Originally posted by T Felderman
How do true "loaners" know they are getting out tracked and can't compete when they are running different tracks?

I've seen times where true "loaners" are mistaken to be "pack dogs", by "track dogs" that cover the true loaner barking all over the woods and the owner doesn't realize it.

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Originally posted by honalieh
A dog that is consistently treeing first (before anything else gets treed) is not a loner, it's a leader. If a dog consistently split trees (meaning another dog has already treed), that's an entirely different situation (could be a loner rather than leader).

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

Not hard to breed a dog that gets treed first in any environment or conditions. Try treed first accurately in any environment or conditions. There is a big difference.

Treed or bayed first with the meat...

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Re: Re: Outstanding Track Dogs

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Originally posted by DL NH
If exceptional hounds were to become plentiful wouldn’t they then become just good average hounds?

When the exception becomes plentiful it falls out of the exceptional category and becomes average.

The best any breeder can do in my mind, is to breed the best he/she can find, preferably from a family line while keeping an eye on the intrinsic traits and physical confirmation that provide the opportunity for an extraordinary individual to come to the surface on occasion.

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