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Originally posted by Corey Gruver
Just to give the discussion some scope. I did a random sampling of the UKC Forums Treeing Walker Dogs and Puppies For Sale page, comparing ads for litters of puppies from 2020 and 2014...

The average going rate of a pup in the 2020 random sampling was $690...

The average going rate of a pup in the 2014 random sampling was $370...

(This isn't anything official, just a hillbilly doing math)

That's a $320 increase between averages over 5-6 years. Just curious as to the what is stimulating that rise, regardless if it's a gradual increase or a steep increase.


We all know it can't be coon prices lol

1 thing is supply not near as many hunters raising pups now as in 2014. also not as many people selling started dogs now as before. not near as many trainers today there was 10 years ago.


All opinions welcome!

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Paying a thousand or 2 thousand for a pup is just to high in my opinion. There is no guarantee that pup is going to turn out like it should, it's way to much of a risk for that kind of money. Everyone knows there is no guarantee that the cross is going to throw what is hoped for and there is no guarantee that the same cross will work twice or a third and fourth time, that's just a fact and people can deny that all they want but there is plenty of threads on here about breeding where people say the samething I'm saying right now. But if you wanna go out there and pay that for a pup then go ahead it's not my money being put on the line and I hope it works out for you because that is alot of money where I'm from and everyone doesnt have it to just throw around on a maybe. They're is hounds on here everyday that are started and treeing there on coon that I'd feel more comfortable spending that kind of money on, than I would for a pup on a hope and a prayer that he/she will turn out like there sire or dam.

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Pup prices, high or low??

I have a litter of pups on the ground right now. They just turned 3 weeks old and so far all 12 are living. I haven't raised a litter in probably 10 or 12 years because I haven't had anything worth raising a litter out of. My pups are Performanced and SS. I have all sold as of now but like said before some may back out whereas I have back ups on the list. I always guaranteed my pups in the past to run and tree at a year old or I will refund your pup price in full if returned in good mental and physical health. I still do that. One thing people should realize is when you buy a pup out of quality parents even world champion dogs, you're still only getting the pup not the parents. I've had or bought pups out of supposedly the best in their breed at the time and ended up with average pups at the best. A pup is like a lottery ticket, you're taking a chance when you buy one. I'm selling my pups for $300 picked up at my house and I should make money from this litter but that's not counting all the time and labor that goes into raising a litter. Remember, just because you pay more for a new vehicle doesn't mean it'll get you from point A to Point B any faster, just some food for thought.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
I have a litter of pups on the ground right now. They just turned 3 weeks old and so far all 12 are living. I haven't raised a litter in probably 10 or 12 years because I haven't had anything worth raising a litter out of. My pups are Performanced and SS. I have all sold as of now but like said before some may back out whereas I have back ups on the list. I always guaranteed my pups in the past to run and tree at a year old or I will refund your pup price in full if returned in good mental and physical health. I still do that. One thing people should realize is when you buy a pup out of quality parents even world champion dogs, you're still only getting the pup not the parents. I've had or bought pups out of supposedly the best in their breed at the time and ended up with average pups at the best. A pup is like a lottery ticket, you're taking a chance when you buy one. I'm selling my pups for $300 picked up at my house and I should make money from this litter but that's not counting all the time and labor that goes into raising a litter. Remember, just because you pay more for a new vehicle doesn't mean it'll get you from point A to Point B any faster, just some food for thought.

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Originally posted by Ridgerunner1988
Paying a thousand or 2 thousand for a pup is just to high in my opinion. There is no guarantee that pup is going to turn out like it should, it's way to much of a risk for that kind of money. Everyone knows there is no guarantee that the cross is going to throw what is hoped for and there is no guarantee that the same cross will work twice or a third and fourth time, that's just a fact and people can deny that all they want but there is plenty of threads on here about breeding where people say the samething I'm saying right now. But if you wanna go out there and pay that for a pup then go ahead it's not my money being put on the line and I hope it works out for you because that is alot of money where I'm from and everyone doesnt have it to just throw around on a maybe. They're is hounds on here everyday that are started and treeing there on coon that I'd feel more comfortable spending that kind of money on, than I would for a pup on a hope and a prayer that he/she will turn out like there sire or dam.

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Pup prices

I do not raise pups but I have always thought coonhound pups were dirt cheap. AKC yard dogs sell for $1200 to $2000 and we sell pups for $300. Our hounds must be bred for track, tree, mouth, disposition, confirmation and the list goes on. Vet bills, vaccines, wormers, etc. have tripled in the last ten years. Everyone wants a super staked pup and this is a big investment. With all this being said, $300-$400 dollars for a well bred pup is a bargain. If a breeder intends to make money, they should be raising lap dogs.

I’ve never raised a pup that didn’t make something. So all these pups that “just don’t make it” either y’all didn’t do your part or they must have had some sorry parents. I’m not saying they all made WCHS or NCH’s but they all would leave you and go tree a coon.

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I’ve never raised a pup that didn’t make something. So all these pups that “just don’t make it” either y’all didn’t do your part or they must have had some sorry parents. I’m not saying they all made WCHS or NCH’s but they all would leave you and go tree a coon.

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Pups

I am not a pup person, I love pups but do not have any desire to raise and train a pup, way to much work for me. I can not thank the men who raise and train pups enough, without them we would soon be out of coon dogs. It's definitely a labor of love for most dog trainers, they definitely DO NOT make any money if they count their time at minimum wage they would not even make that . You put the time and work into a dog that does not make anything and there you have lost big time. I find it cheaper to buy a well started or trained dog and get something you want to hunt, than take a chance on a pup that may turn out good enough to suit you. THANK YOU to ALL the folks that love starting pups and or finishing pups into coon dogs, folks like ME depend on you all. Dave

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When a lap mut sells for $500 or $600 and only cost #50 for registration fee , or a lab is worth $1000 or a cross bread labadoodle sells fo4 $1500 why shouldn't a pup out of parents that we have thousands of dollars in campaigning all over this country be worth as much??? pups have been worth $250 or $300 for 30 years!

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I’ve never raised a pup that didn’t make something. So all these pups that “just don’t make it” either y’all didn’t do your part or they must have had some sorry parents. I’m not saying they all made WCHS or NCH’s but they all would leave you and go tree a coon.

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Comparing hounds prices to some of the bird dog pup prices isn’t a fair comparison. The higher priced bird dogs have to be certified against hip displasyia and eyes problems. That adds to cost most breeders offer a guarantee against those issues until there about 24-28 months old. They will replace pup if this occurs. The price of pups had been the same for 30+ years so have stud fees. In the end the pups are worth what people are willing to pay .

A pup is worth what your willing to pay for it . If I hunted with both the parents and liked them and hunted with some of their offspring and liked them I don’t care what their priced at if I want one bad enough I will find a way to come up with the money. Just because you won’t spend that much on a pup doesn’t mean someone else won’t. If your boss offered you two hundred more dollars a week Would you take it ,or would you turn it down because your neighbor doesn’t feel the job should pay that much.

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I’ve never raised a pup that didn’t make something. So all these pups that “just don’t make it” either y’all didn’t do your part or they must have had some sorry parents. I’m not saying they all made WCHS or NCH’s but they all would leave you and go tree a coon.

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Ive hunted most of my life and over the past 40yrs pup prices haven't changed that much. I think the good young started dog prices have increased more so than anything due to the fact not many is willing to put the time into a pup to make it a quality hound or the pup just don't have it in them. My wife got the itch to get Golden Retrievers some time back and we did. Its amazing the difference in being able to sale the pups compared to Coonhounds. If your Stud checks clear on all genetic tests you can just about name your price for your pups. AND....you don't even have to give breeding rights to the potential buyers. The major difference is when people are purchasing a Golden most times the whole family is involved in the purchase which makes paying the price a bit easier verses a coonhunter going out and paying that for a hound when MOST times the family is not as excited about the purchase. Make sense?

The crash of 2008 hurt pup prices for several years but they have rebounded in the last few years. About back to where they should be.

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My gosh, never raised a cull?

You say “would go tree a coon”. Does that mean, off a feeder? Or just go get treed? Do you think 60% accurate is a coon dog?

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I have noticed an increase across the board in pup prices and stud fees. The biggest jump I've seen is in started dogs. Seems like most of those start at $1,000 - $1,500 for a dog that isn't really doing anything yet and is just of age to start or might have treed a cage coon.

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Originally posted by Ghost14
My gosh, never raised a cull?

You say “would go tree a coon”. Does that mean, off a feeder? Or just go get treed? Do you think 60% accurate is a coon dog?

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Originally posted by Ghost14
My gosh, never raised a cull?

You say “would go tree a coon”. Does that mean, off a feeder? Or just go get treed? Do you think 60% accurate is a coon dog?

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Originally posted by ole hoss
I never said they all make coondogs. Matter of fact that’s a word I don’t use that often at all, can’t remember ever using that word on any dog I’ve ever been with or had. But, from my experience and my opinion if you put that pup in the hands of a man/woman with common sense and patience and come back in 3 yrs we should see a dog that we can pop a snap off of right here at the truck and it go tree you a coon. Accuracy in my opinion is bred in them, I can’t change that, mouth is bred in them, I can’t change that, but just about anything else a dog does can be modified through repetitive training. Some I know won’t agree and that’s ok. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT spend the quality time with a pup to ever see what it is. If it’s not doing it by 8-12 months old it’s a CULL to most, and might very well be to me as well but it’s my job as the trainer to get as much out of the pup as I possibly can as far as it’s ability. Just my opinion we all have one

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Prices of coonhounds in general have skyrocketed in the last Couple years.

So what’s the guarantee on these $1000+ 8 week old yet to be determined coon treers?

My mother told me when I was a kid a fool and their money will soon part.

Hate to say it but I fell into the fool category a time or two but no way am I paying $1000 for any 8 week old pup.

Bout the only guarantee I know is for certain is that they all will eat, crap and just maybe bark at the moon!

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Here's something to ponder........
An 8 week old pup/ $50-2500
Started dog or pup/ $500-7500 (with SS left to hunt)
Same dogs aged out of SS/ $500-5000

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Those of you who have never raised and sold any coon hound pups may not know the ups and downs in doing that. 1st off, I don't raise a litter until I want something of my own to carry on. 2nd, If I was wanting to make a pile of money from it, I wouldn't do it at all. It's not all about making money for me. Don't get me wrong, I like money just as much as the next person but pricing your pups too high could just leave you with a bunch of 6 month old pups that you can't move at all. I'd just as soon get them out while they're young. It's a big head ache and most aren't cut out for it but in my opinion, it's worth it. It's easy to say they're getting $1,000 to $2,000 for yard crappers but until you've actually tried it, it may not be a cake walk.