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Posted by Dave Richards on 07-14-2020 09:00 PM:

Tar

I agree 100 percent with your post, you can not tree coons on A leash and your dog should be trained not to go back to trees. There is no substitute for proper training if you want to WIN HUNTS. Folks should be pleased they don't have to lead their dog to other dogs trees, especially if you have a coon treeing dog. Dave

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Posted by yadkintar on 07-15-2020 12:05 AM:

Well I guess it’s old doggie thinking. During hide season I wanted my dog under every coon in the woods it made the paycheck bigger. So if you got a meat dog your hunting in the hunts wouldn’t it make the paycheck bigger ? But he has to be off the leash every minute possible to win.

Tar

Posted by Dave Richards on 07-15-2020 01:22 AM:

Tar

ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 07-15-2020 01:30 AM:

Re: Tar

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

Agree 100%

Posted by novicane65 on 07-15-2020 01:56 AM:

Re: Tar

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
ACCURACY means something to folks like you and I, we want a dog that trees coons not trees. If I never shoot another coon out, I still want to see the coon every time my dog trees. Its not about hide hunting, it's about knowing you have a coon dog, seeing the coon is every thing, it validates what the dog has done. Dave

I guess you could call me old school on this, but I refuse to walk to a dog that makes a big habit of being slick. I won't feed a dog that isn't 75% or better at having coons.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 07-15-2020 02:59 AM:

Eric DePue

That makes 2 of us, these mountains are steep, very steep and I will not hunt a dog that's not real accurate. Despite what some folks say, there are ACCURATE dogs and I do not settle for less. It better be a legitimate den or I better see s coon. Dave

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Posted by novicane65 on 08-09-2020 01:52 PM:

So with there not being a set time or set distance to recut.........
Is this all handler discretion? I know Chey and Tar know the answer, but if like Allen's official ruling on it.

Posted by yadkintar on 08-09-2020 02:10 PM:

A comfortable distance.

But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?

Tar

Posted by Fireballs on 08-09-2020 02:28 PM:

Re: A comfortable distance.

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?

Tar

And I'm going to tell you when I'm comfortable

Posted by novicane65 on 08-09-2020 02:44 PM:

Re: A comfortable distance.

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
But I am not going to let you try and be comfortable at 400 yards. At about 80 yards I am going to ask you are you going to cut or stay on the leash ?

Tar

I'd agree on that but there's nothing you can do if the handler wants to keep walking. Because its not in the rules. You'd be comfortable and so would I but not all at 100 yards. So where is the cut off point? Where do you or can you say to such a handler that he has to recut?

Posted by wart on 08-09-2020 03:11 PM:

Hunts

The entire cast is time based and ukc should have a time either 30 seconds or a minute this just causes confusion

Posted by harleydan1956 on 08-09-2020 04:53 PM:

I am comfortable at 5 yards, most are not. There should be a maximum time, or yardage. Sometimes 30 seconds in a tangle will get you 25 ft... Should be Judges call. As long as it is a fair call.

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Posted by yadkintar on 08-09-2020 05:26 PM:

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Originally posted by harleydan1956
I am comfortable at 5 yards, most are not. There should be a maximum time, or yardage. Sometimes 30 seconds in a tangle will get you 25 ft... Should be Judges call. As long as it is a fair call.

About 80 or a 100 yards no matter how long it takes to walk it then I am going to ask you if your going to cut or not then it’s your choice at that point yes or no.

Tar

Posted by novicane65 on 08-09-2020 07:06 PM:

Yeah but if there isn't a set time or distance how can you tell a cast member they have to cut? Otherwise they can lead the dog for as long as they'd like too and no one can force them to cut loose.

Posted by yadkintar on 08-09-2020 07:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by novicane65
Yeah but if there isn't a set time or distance how can you tell a cast member they have to cut? Otherwise they can lead the dog for as long as they'd like too and no one can force them to cut loose.

I tree break mine they can lead their dog the whole two hours I am hunting every minute I can.

Tar

Posted by harleydan1956 on 08-09-2020 07:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
About 80 or a 100 yards no matter how long it takes to walk it then I am going to ask you if your going to cut or not then it’s your choice at that point yes or no.

Tar

100 yds and dog goes back? Needs to be retrained, sorry guys. You are right. If a handler needs more than 100 yds(personally, that is a bit far walking in a woods), then he should have to and stop slowing the cast down.

Posted by Travis Brown on 08-09-2020 08:26 PM:

Another point I have seen come up is all dogs are split treed and their 3 minutes of time is up. Went in and scored the first tree. The handler wanted to walk the opposite direction of the next dog we had to score to recut his. It was my opinion that you walk directly to the second tree. To head the opposite direction to recut his was allowing someone to withold the cast from going to a tree when the time was up on the tree. Does the handler of the first dog scored get to pull the cast in the opposite direction they need to go so he can recut the direction he wants or does he have to recut on the way to the second tree?

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Posted by yadkintar on 08-09-2020 10:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Travis Brown
Another point I have seen come up is all dogs are split treed and their 3 minutes of time is up. Went in and scored the first tree. The handler wanted to walk the opposite direction of the next dog we had to score to recut his. It was my opinion that you walk directly to the second tree. To head the opposite direction to recut his was allowing someone to withold the cast from going to a tree when the time was up on the tree. Does the handler of the first dog scored get to pull the cast in the opposite direction they need to go so he can recut the direction he wants or does he have to recut on the way to the second tree?

You go to the next dog that’s time is up to be scored he has the option to cut loose or hold on leash that’s he only option he has.

Tar

Posted by novicane65 on 08-13-2020 08:35 PM:

So what's your call on this Allen? How far could or can a handler walk his dog on the leash once he says he wants to re-cut?

Posted by yadkintar on 08-14-2020 01:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by novicane65
So what's your call on this Allen? How far could or can a handler walk his dog on the leash once he says he wants to re-cut?

How far you going to let him walk if he says he is going to cut ?

Now if we are near a road or on posted land I might be a little more lenient.

Tar

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-14-2020 02:26 PM:

Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

Posted by yadkintar on 08-14-2020 02:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

Oh my goodness are you that intellectually challenged that you don’t know I was using that rule while you were still smoking herbs in the Winnebago !! You need to slow down and let you brain clear a little. You are probly one of those guys likes to keep his mee too dog on leash when he’s ahead a little.

Tar

Posted by nextcoonhunters on 08-15-2020 02:22 PM:

Ukc ruling

quote:
Originally posted by trevorwade09
Putting a set time of 30 seconds or 1 minute was up for vote at the rules discussion last year at Autumn Oaks. It did not pass. I can tell you that a lot of the discussion referenced the freedom to walk a little more or less depending on your surroundings and of course taking the other dogs in the cast into consideration.

UKC's position on this is to leave it up to the appointed judge to make sure that handlers don't walk any more or less than is deemed necessary. No competent, respectable judge would let you walk that far without cutting loose.

That's their ruling. Like it or not they're not adding anything until next time to vote. So we're stuck with it. I'm fine with no leash lock at all. Even with dogs struck in. Recut and hunt. But hey I'm from the show me State. Love when people are bragging on their dog but won't cut it loose. Some say smart handling if you're up on points no need to recut. I say must be scared that piece of... Will pull minus.

Posted by yadkintar on 08-17-2020 01:15 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, "you" might be a little more lenient? It is up to the handler when he is comfortable cutting his dog loose. I just realized why you don't travel off to hunts. They don't let you judge when you are not at home.

Oh my goodness mr professional judge and top redbone exquisenair !! How far you going to let them lead if you pull off their tree and everything is trailing huh ?

Tar

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-17-2020 01:39 PM:

I will abide by the rule, until they are comfortable recutting their dog. I don't really care how long that they want to keep their dog on the leash. I mean, it is their dog. I try to worry about my own dog.

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