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Thanks for the input. If I decide to breed her I’ll breed her to BC. It’ll all depend on when she comes in heat being that she’s qualified for the UKC world and I was planning on running her in the PKC state and breed race starting in Oct. She’s not but 2 years old so I’ve got time.

That cross is more than just an uncle/niece cross. Top and bottom match up with both of them. BC is as line bred for generations back as much as any hound with two “lines” combined and it’s been producing some of the best blue dogs for several generations. High probability that this cross will produce more of the same however I don’t see how it can produce better simply because nothing else has been added. Should be a litter of good to better pups.

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Tar,, you say from 3 pups off BC you hunted with, he can’t reproduce? Come on now, someone with all your coonhound knowledge should know better than to judge off of those #’s.... I hunted with dozen or so off that famed Rattler dog,, finally found one of them worth feeding,,, then got smart and traded for a Lipper dog 👍

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Well I am not speculating!! Hunted with bodacious many nights bottom line he was a blow deep hard to control pain in the butt. I have hunted with 3 big country pups that sure didn’t take after their daddy that’s for sure. This cross is doubled up more of a handful than most part time coonhunters can handle.



Anouther truth pill.


Tar

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Originally posted by Heikki
Have you hunted with Big Country?

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Originally posted by DMG_3
Tar,, you say from 3 pups off BC you hunted with, he can’t reproduce? Come on now, someone with all your coonhound knowledge should know better than to judge off of those #’s.... I hunted with dozen or so off that famed Rattler dog,, finally found one of them worth feeding,,, then got smart and traded for a Lipper dog 👍

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Tar

You sure are quick to brag or defend Rattler like you was involved in all his fame. Wasn’t he in SS (social security) when you got involved with him lol.

My advice

Regardless of when or who you breed her to. If you're comfortable with it and have faith it'll make good, then who cares what everyone else thinks. What's the worst that can come from it, a bunch of potlickers. Trust me look around there's plenty of other crosses that produced that already regardless of color. But what's the best that could come from it a world champion. Now that ain't never happened in Ukc in a bluehide. Trust your own opinion, and hunt what you breed, and see what you made. Then decide if it was good or bad and go from there. There's lots of studs out there. I'm not personally on the bc fan wagon yet. But figure they have him stored so if in the next year's I change my mind he'll be there. I'm just slow to jump in any fan wagon regardless. Just bought a 25 year old or so breeding for my female. But again when it happens may be a bunch of potlickers. Good luck on wherever you end up.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Well I am not speculating!! Hunted with bodacious many nights bottom line he was a blow deep hard to control pain in the butt. I have hunted with 3 big country pups that sure didn’t take after their daddy that’s for sure. This cross is doubled up more of a handful than most part time coonhunters can handle.



Anouther truth pill.


Tar

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"John he sounds a lot like his grandpa I will take a road trip and come see you. Been thinking for a while now on taking this 4th generation female of mine to a different breed seems like I am getting good coon treeing dogs but they just don’t seem to be getting to the next level kinda just stay the same. I think he has what I need a total outcross the walker breed everybody has about the same stuff. Hard to get the drive and accuracy without loosing the brains."


Tar

Truth pill, eh? LMBO!

Lets see.. truth bombs.. ain't got no dog in this race
been quietly watching
you people can't swallow truth so you bad mouth and belittle those with opinions you disagree
Strickland promoting and all his winning does not make him a reproducer.
In the pkc hunts you can win whether you see a coon or not.
Most guys breeding to him are after those 800--1000 dollar pups they can sell
Word is his oldest pups are just under two. Fact is they are coming four years old
Reproducers list says he got 146 pups with 1 titled out to grntch
No I never hunted with the dog. But you are not getting him you are getting what he reproduces . Go watch some of his pups. '
Seems the better harder tree dogs are the Walker crosses and they look like English dogs.
The straight up bluetick crosses are a little loose on the tree and bawl or short bawl on the tree.
There are lots of videos go look them up
I know some that have hunted with him and I watched the CHKC hunt that he lost because he was deep and alone and walked off a tree. I have been told he has done this a few times in some bigger hunts.
Another thing I see is he is not a straight up tree dog. Does a lot of drifting around when he is treed. If that don't bother you well so be it.
His daddy was known to throw pups that did not start until they were well over one year old. I saw a lot come up for sale . Now I see the same thing with this BC dog. Go back on the bluetick board and look at how many are coming up for sell at 13-17 months old. They should be lighting up the nights at that age and these hard hunting comp guys are selling. Why ?
Now I will say that the Bodacious dogs got some great traits . Track speed second to nothing. Super Loud. Normally hard chop mouth so I don't know why this BC dog trees like he does . They do walk off trees HHMM .??? And they are known to beat the coon to the tree.
Now this is all a generalization so don't be hopping on me saying how I know old so and so was not like that. Family traits is what I am saying. There is always going be exceptions.
I think you fellers are missing the big picturet. You want a dog like BC go breed to his daddy . I think the guy got semen stored.

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Originally posted by GES
"John he sounds a lot like his grandpa I will take a road trip and come see you. Been thinking for a while now on taking this 4th generation female of mine to a different breed seems like I am getting good coon treeing dogs but they just don’t seem to be getting to the next level kinda just stay the same. I think he has what I need a total outcross the walker breed everybody has about the same stuff. Hard to get the drive and accuracy without loosing the brains."


Tar

Truth pill, eh? LMBO!

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I appreciate the input on the post but the intent of it wasn’t to get feed back especially negative on any breed, bloodline or specific dog. I just don’t see the benefits in talking about another persons dog. The whole intent was to get experienced info on line breeding and how close is to close.

Sure hope you have luck with what you are trying to accomplish. Was trying just give you advice to what I seen I am not above breeding to big country I think at this time I will wait and see I think he is getting a lot of top quality females bred to him time will tell.



Good luck.


Tar

Niece x uncle crosses are best according to most people that recommend line breeding. Crossing that way is generally preferred over half brother/half sister, aunt x nephew, father/daughter, mother/son when line breeding/inbreeding according to most breeders I know. As has been stated, it is very important to look at traits rather than relationship if you are trying to solidify those traits in your line. Good luck!

Breeding

Traye, Sorry your thread on linebreeding got so off base, what one man likes another man may not. Linebreeding is a proven method and has been successful many times. Unfortunately, nothing is a guarantee, but breeding a known line of dogs is a better chance of getting a better dog. I am sure you will make the right choice, despite all of the negative posts that have been made on your thread. Bottom line is that it's your choice and you do not need anyone's blessing or permission. Good luck! Dave

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Thanks for all the help.

Dogs

Like always your going to get different opinions your female will have alot to do with the outcome also who ends up with your pups. My experience is hunters with good females do there homework before breeding them good luck

YAPPINTAR

The reason I asked if you ever hunted with him was because you said in one of your post above said the pups you have hunted with did not take after there daddy. How do you make that assessment when you haven’t hunted with him?

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Re: YAPPINTAR

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Originally posted by Heikki
The reason I asked if you ever hunted with him was because you said in one of your post above said the pups you have hunted with did not take after there daddy. How do you make that assessment when you haven’t hunted with him?

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Bluetick lives matter

Tar you can't talk to us like that. We'll ban together and roit. Destroy
stuff and make ourselves look like we have the intelligence of a kindergartener.

Lol I was really just trying to help the guy. You don’t want to double up bodacious and I have hunted with more of the pups than most jabbing me. But I kinda like having sombody to filibuster with I enjoy it lol.


Tar

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Originally posted by benderb4
.In the pkc hunts you can win whether you see a coon or not..

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Originally posted by Josh Michaelis
After I read this I knew the entire post was gonna be pretty stupid.

Right again.

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Re: Re: YAPPINTAR

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yadkintar
With you I guess you have an intellect problem probly of a 3rd grade level. I watched the vidios of him in the hunts no wonder y’all can’t get a blue dog to win the big on they are handicapped being trained by intellectually challenged individuals.



Tar [/QUOTE

I forgot that your the smartest man alive, you can do everything better than anyone else from training dogs to running the kc’s. You can even know all about a dog from watching a few videos, your the best! I guess I need to do my research & learn what all you have won & what big time hounds have come from your famous breeding program.

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