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Richard is right about all the other factors, that come into play...lol Having to keep multiple dogs or have lots of friends, raising pups, training, getting run over, etc.....
I am dumber than i thought
I just need to pick the right pup!

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Yeedkinreever and Conrad.

Lipper and tar rattler were two different lines but they complimented each other I ain’t doing somthing that ain’t been proven before. And the stud I bred to has no stylish Harry nowhere now you know what I mean Vern !!



Tar

You're suppose to be fishing. Can't we have any privacy?

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
You're suppose to be fishing. Can't we have any privacy?

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Now back to the original question 😁
Some of you all are trashy, off running foxes.
Does Tree affect track?

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Of course.

I think balance is the hardest thing to reproduce.. However, in my humble opinion it all depends on what you want and like... I believe dogs have certain times of the year they look better then others... Had a dog that was Skuna River on top and Sacket bred on the bottom... He was very accurate and was a really good track dog... He looked his absolute best when coons were feeding on the ground and traveling looking for food... He was just an average dog at best in my humble opinion when coons were feeding on acorns and when the kittens first came down.. He tried to be Accurate and could set up trees and leave them until basically he put the last track up... He improved with age and made a really nice hound, but would've always liked him to him have a little more treedog in him!!!

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Now back to the original question 😁
Some of you all are trashy, off running foxes.
Does Tree affect track?

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How come some people seem to always have it and some don't?
Are they just born lucky? Had parents that played ball ?
Wimp Aaron how did he keep a good line of dogs for all this time? I think he is on Queen xvi(16)
I agree they are born with it
I am a firm believer that the more tree blood you stick in there, the track and accuracy will suffer.
Now the problem i have always had, is agreeing with other hunters which line of dogs are Tree and which lines are track.
Accuracy is a good measuring stick for me.

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Yadkin Tar

Lipper's grand mother Gold Hill Lou and Rattler's grand father Wright's Pistol Pete were litter mates off of Wrights Sue and Stans Sailor Jr. A.J. Wright raised both dogs and sold Lou to Bobby Shives and that's the rest of the story.

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Originally posted by oldsouth123
Lipper's grand mother Gold Hill Lou and Rattler's grand father Wright's Pistol Pete were litter mates off of Wrights Sue and Stans Sailor Jr. A.J. Wright raised both dogs and sold Lou to Bobby Shives and that's the rest of the story.

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Oh my goodness Tar, are you a fan of line breeding now? What happened to all of those posts about hybrid vigor and x breeding? You sure are hard to keep up with.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness Tar, are you a fan of line breeding now? What happened to all of those posts about hybrid vigor and x breeding? You sure are hard to keep up with.

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A few things mentioned
I have witnessed dogs that couldn't track worth a darn at certain times of the year. Mostly spring or winter. Different dogs. Are they still track dogs the other 3 seasons?

I have seen some fellows that couldn't have a accurate dog regardless of breeding and vice versa. Some fellows that have accurate dogs with heavy bred tree stock. Has anyone else seen this?

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A few things mentioned
I have witnessed dogs that couldn't track worth a darn at certain times of the year. Mostly spring or winter. Different dogs. Are they still track dogs the other 3 seasons?

I have seen some fellows that couldn't have a accurate dog regardless of breeding and vice versa. Some fellows that have accurate dogs with heavy bred tree stock. Has anyone else seen this?

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Originally posted by yadkintar
One more puppy will finish me up I want one I like without looking at the papers and wondering when it’s going to turn to dookie.

You told me you was done with pups the last time we talk? LOL. JESSEJ

Tar

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
Genetics of the dogs coming out, major outcrossing causes a box of chocolates 😊

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Sorry evidently I did not understand your statement.
But I would say a dog that can’t track in winter should not be considered a track dog 😊

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
Genetics of the dogs coming out, major outcrossing causes a box of chocolates 😊

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

I don’t even know that a person needs to breed for “Tree” heck any dog can be taught to tree I don’t care what it’s bred like. Having a coon when it trees is the trick. Give me a pup that from 6 months to 15 months is looking to strike deer and catches one every now and then and accidentally makes 1 or 2 trees a week and I will show you how to make a Wild coon treeing piece of equipment.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
I don’t even know that a person needs to breed for “Tree” heck any dog can be taught to tree I don’t care what it’s bred like. Having a coon when it trees is the trick. Give me a pup that from 6 months to 15 months is looking to strike deer and catches one every now and then and accidentally makes 1 or 2 trees a week and I will show you how to make a Wild coon treeing piece of equipment.

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

I agree with Dalton, tree is never a factor for me, accuracy is King in my book, and desire to hunt, it's what makes me happy.
I have a 3 acre puppy pen and pulled a coon in a roll cage around in it making some loops, at 9 and 10 weeks old the pups were scared, but after i took it out of there area they had there tails up smelling track, and several worked for a couple hours
Just piddling smelling and working, very encouraging.
The older blooded dogs may take a little longer to mature on tree, but they just keep getting better with age. And don't top out at 2.5 years old.

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"Life is short boys, Hunt an intelligent hound"

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Tree vs track

I don't think you can have too much tree but not having tracking ability is what causes accuracy problems.

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Originally posted by rgregory
I don't think you can have too much tree but not having tracking ability is what causes accuracy problems.

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