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Mr. Lambert...you are making some excellent points...

I do not want my dog to cower or submit to another dog but at the same time I do not want my dog to start a fight...

If a dog comes in to the bay I expect my dog to stay focused on the game...but if that dog jumps on my dog I expect him to defend himself and then get back to baying...if he continues to fight until he totally dominates the other dog that will have to be ok...he then needs to get back to baying the game...I don’t think I can fault my dog for this behavior...

If the other dog got whipped by my dog and he decides to bay alongside my dog then I would be pleased with the way my dog handled it...

The rule needs to be well thought out and then enforced otherwise there will be many alligator dogs in the future and that will become the next hot topic...might as well nip it in the bud now...seems many folks only care about winning and not so much about breeding for correct temperament and other traits...

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

Everybody wants to make excuses for touchy dogs. Kinda like my experiences years ago in certain establishments. If you ain’t kinda looking for trouble or have a chip on your shoulder most of the time you can avoid trouble.

heard an old man say one , mine ain't mean just very unafraid.

Mean dogs

I do not think that a dog fighting back to defend himself should be considered mean. How many men would stand and let some other man beat on Him without taking his part and fighting back? Does fighting back make you a mean man? I owned one of the most peaceful dogs any man could want, dogs could crawl all over him at a Tree or anywhere else without so much as a growl from him, hut if a dog jumped on him he would fight back, he definitely was not mean. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

A dog doesn't have to defend its self if it won't fight. Now does that mean that it won't stay treed with a mean dog. Not at all. There are dogs that will stay treed with a mean dog and not have too use everyone's excuse of defending itself.
We don't always get the perfect dog so we try to make do with what we get.
If they get in a fight regardless of what happened do we need to make an excuse? If we do need to use excuses where do we stop using them?

when you do have one that is smart enough to stay treed off of the tree a bit staying out of trouble then along comes the minus for being off tree !

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
A dog doesn't have to defend its self if it won't fight. Now does that mean that it won't stay treed with a mean dog. Not at all. There are dogs that will stay treed with a mean dog and not have too use everyone's excuse of defending itself.
We don't always get the perfect dog so we try to make do with what we get.
If they get in a fight regardless of what happened do we need to make an excuse? If we do need to use excuses where do we stop using them?

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Rueben

Some folks just do not get it, they think any dog that fights back is mean, which is just not true. There are many different scenarios where a peaceful dog gets jumped on by a mean dog and in most cases WILL fight back, that does not make them mean. The only difference in dogs fighting and men fighting is that men can tell you who the aggressor was and dogs can not. If I absolutely know which dog is the aggressive one, I will not correct the innocent dog that fights back. I will not stand and let another man assault me without defending myself and I will not correct a dog for defending itself, I don't care who likes my choice. I can not stand a mean dog or a man that bullies other men. Dave

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Dave and Reuben ya both make valid points.
Reuben yes we settle for what style of dog we get and live with it. Most of us. Far to often if were not careful.
Dave I feel very much like you. I hate mean dog and bullies.
I like honesty not excuses. When we start excepting bad behavior and making excuses were on a slippery slope is all im saying. Settling if ya will. I know you hate to feel ya settled for less but if ya need an excuse you did just that.

Mean??

First off, 9 times out of 10 a person knows if they have a mean dog when they turn it loose with another dog. So in that case, the person is as guilty as the dog. It's come to people hunting anything to score a win, at any cost. Mean dogs come from people who don't care about other peoples dogs or their own. A lot of folks have good hounds that are mean and other than admitting their dog is mean they'd rather turn their dog loose to show off their coon treeing ability in stead of admitting they're mean. I've dealt with mean dogs and handlers my whole life, in competition and with pleasure hunters. It all starts with people who don't want to change their style by weeding out the mean dogs. There are plenty of good hounds out there that aren't mean. Until the people who own and hunt mean dogs changes, we will continue to see this problem.

Ron Moore

You nailed it, most folks do and should know if their dog is mean or aggressive. I put the blame on the owner if they knowingly hunt a mean dog in a hunt or with someone else's dog. Dave

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Over 40 years I can count the mean dogs I seen on my fingers.



And they were rumblen when We got there because one of them wasent putting up with it lol.


Tar

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groworg1/ron more

you both are 100% right the last $$ hunt i was in my dog was split treed alone 4 min, 70 yards from another dog treed when we scored his tree he recast his dog directly at mine it jumped on mine he backed off the tree twenty feet and the judge minused him for not being on the tree.

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Originally posted by Stan Ferrell
Yup, you are one of those guys who will say" just walk slow, they will have it all worked out by the time we get there"

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Nope you got that one wrong I won’t hunt a babbler and I won’t hunt a mean dog.



Tar

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Re: Mean??

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
First off, 9 times out of 10 a person knows if they have a mean dog when they turn it loose with another dog. So in that case, the person is as guilty as the dog. It's come to people hunting anything to score a win, at any cost. Mean dogs come from people who don't care about other peoples dogs or their own. A lot of folks have good hounds that are mean and other than admitting their dog is mean they'd rather turn their dog loose to show off their coon treeing ability in stead of admitting they're mean. I've dealt with mean dogs and handlers my whole life, in competition and with pleasure hunters. It all starts with people who don't want to change their style by weeding out the mean dogs. There are plenty of good hounds out there that aren't mean. Until the people who own and hunt mean dogs changes, we will continue to see this problem.

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Kler kry
Well said

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
A dog doesn't have to defend its self if it won't fight. Now does that mean that it won't stay treed with a mean dog. Not at all. There are dogs that will stay treed with a mean dog and not have too use everyone's excuse of defending itself.
We don't always get the perfect dog so we try to make do with what we get.
If they get in a fight regardless of what happened do we need to make an excuse? If we do need to use excuses where do we stop using them?

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I agree with what you said...

The way I see it in hog dogs and would expect the same in a tree dog...

I want my dog to only focus on the game...because he is so focused and because he wants the game he will ignore a few bites here and there...but once the other dog over steps his boundary I want my dog to whip the other dog and make him back up...I expect that out of my dogs...
I can not feed a mean dog...or a dog that is constantly trying to establish dominance and creating issues because of it...

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Training dogs is not so much about quantity, it's more about timing, and the right situations...After that it's up to the dog....A hunting dog is born...

A dog that fights another dog, is just that a, fighter. The only place this type of dog is allowed, put up with, and even defended is in the comp hunts. How many times has your hound had to "defend" himself while hide hunting?, Bear hunting? coyote hunting?

I like a dog that is content to stay back off the tree a few feet and bark treed when in rough company and practices “social distancing!” 😉😉

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Originally posted by Stan Ferrell
A dog that fights another dog, is just that a, fighter. The only place this type of dog is allowed, put up with, and even defended is in the comp hunts. How many times has your hound had to "defend" himself while hide hunting?, Bear hunting? coyote hunting?

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Then there is only one mean dog in the whole world cause all the others are just defending themselves. So once we find that dog, the problem will be over.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
If you go to enough hunts sooner or later your dog is absolutely going to either have to fight or leave. There will come a time when that backing up and circling won’t work. I fully expect to handle anything I’m hunting when I get there come hell or high water. It may sound bad but I would rather handle one out of the middle of a dog fight and take my scratch than know that he or she didn’t have the guts to stay and take a minus.

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Originally posted by Stan Ferrell
Then there is only one mean dog in the whole world cause all the others are just defending themselves. So once we find that dog, the problem will be over.

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