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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
To some happiness and pride comes from how many coons their dog can tree. To others happiness and pride comes from how much money their dog wins.
Most comp coon hunters don't need the money their dog wins. They have a job and work to make money to spend coon hunting. If the Kennel Club did not keep track of earnings and post them for all to see then they would quit comp hunting. To the comp hunters, how much money a dog dog wins is a measure of how good a dog is, not how many coons they tree. After all they are comp dogs. That is why pleasure hunters are disappointed when they buy a top comp dog and it isn't a pleasure to hunt.

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Breeding Selection

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Originally posted by GES
Breeding dogs will not improve until the market demands something different than what is produced. That is based upon what people want in a dog. I totally agree that dogs aren't bred or sold for gathering coon hides anymore. The market is for a competition dog that WINS. Nobody goes to participate, they want to win. The competition was correctly defined as competing against a clock, the rules, the handlers, and maybe the other dogs. Which is exactly why 'auto strike, deep and alone with a coon' is popular. They win....... and the people that what to win want one just like the one that beats them. The standard idea has been around a long time......Wick presented his idea for standard in one of his books and it's the concept of HTX titles. Neither is popular or mean much to anyone IMHO.

What I can't understand is why everyone is trying to fix someone else's problem? If your dog is accurate and suits you, then why worry about what everyone else has? Is it because you don't win? I thought that didn't matter and was the problem we are trying to fix.

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Re: Breeding Selection

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Originally posted by Kler Kry

I rate a dog on what performance I see during the week and I like seeing dogs compete against each other

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Well I guess they have fun at those big entry fee hunts. They have bbq , adult beverages , play poker and I heard rumors of a stripper pole lol.


Tarbaby

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Most of these guys would rather ride on a side by side hunting and are definitely not in shape for swinging around a stripper pole lol! Although they could make some cash being paid to get down.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Good Lord there's an image I didn't need.

Here's to hoping there's bibs involved and not just chaps 👀

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Seneca , MO
(417)317-4815
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2014 OK STATE CH, 2015 MO PKC LEADER, 2016 PKC NATIONALS SEMIFINALIST, 2016 UKC TOP 20, 2O17 UKC WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP 3RD PLACE, 2018 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4, 2018 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION, 2019 AUTUMN OAKS NATIONAL GRNITE CH, 2019 PKC WORLD CH SEMIFINALIST. 2021 PKC SENIOR SHOWDOWN TRUCK HUNT FINAL 4.
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2021 OKLAHOMA STATE CHAMPION, 2022 PKC WORLD CHAMPION, 2022 MO PKC STATE LEADER PRO SPORT TRUCK WINNER, 2025 MO PKC STATE CHAMPION

RIP
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Mafia it doesn't matter. I didn't expect anything less. And I might add, I have been guilty of the same thing many times.

It is all good.

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
We'll blame tar for taking Bruse's thread way off topic!

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Tar here is the thing and big difference in MEN. You make a lot of valid points on how the game is played. But that doesn't mean because you choose not to play the game. Everything should be negative about the game. Coonhunting both pleasure and competition is a lot of fun. It is what we are promoting. Like you. I have seen a bunch of things in the coon hound world that is not in my playbook to do. I just store them away as experience and use that experience to not let those things happen to me. Thats why, I don't get all hyped about some top winning dog. It is more important to me to see what the dog really is and how it won. Even though I don't get hyped up about some top dog. I don't find all the faults others do with the dog. I don't try to run the dog down or put it in the class of a typical competition dog and run the whole group down. It is part of coonhunting. Good or bad. It is part of something I have done more of and thought more about than just about anything else for over 50 years. I want to promote the sport, share the good, keep the bad to myself. If you let the negative rule your life. Then you can't have a conversation without a bunch of negative coming out. Some on here choose to be that way. If it isn't in their pen or their style dog. It is bad. No, there are a bunch of styles and there are a bunch of ways to play this game. Enjoy what you do and don't find fault in what everyone else does.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Tar here is the thing and big difference in MEN. You make a lot of valid points on how the game is played. But that doesn't mean because you choose not to play the game. Everything should be negative about the game. Coonhunting both pleasure and competition is a lot of fun. It is what we are promoting. Like you. I have seen a bunch of things in the coon hound world that is not in my playbook to do. I just store them away as experience and use that experience to not let those things happen to me. Thats why, I don't get all hyped about some top winning dog. It is more important to me to see what the dog really is and how it won. Even though I don't get hyped up about some top dog. I don't find all the faults others do with the dog. I don't try to run the dog down or put it in the class of a typical competition dog and run the whole group down. It is part of coonhunting. Good or bad. It is part of something I have done more of and thought more about than just about anything else for over 50 years. I want to promote the sport, share the good, keep the bad to myself. If you let the negative rule your life. Then you can't have a conversation without a bunch of negative coming out. Some on here choose to be that way. If it isn't in their pen or their style dog. It is bad. No, there are a bunch of styles and there are a bunch of ways to play this game. Enjoy what you do and don't find fault in what everyone else does.

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Tar it is not my business. It is in my Heart. Everyone deserves respect and kindness. You find the ones that don't you just Pray for them and avoid them. Not put them is some classification and speak harsh about them. Never know you might have classified them wrong. Then you are a bigger fool than you tagged them to be.

When I hear the Preacher in an hour from now sharing the Word of God. He won't be reading scripture for the Businessman or the Unemployed. For the person with one or more homes or for the homeless. The man with a good coonhound or a sorry one. He will be sharing for the Sinner like me to hear and listen. Not to shake the Preachers hand on the way out and tell him. "You really told them today". It is not THEM. It is "I" the message was intended for. It is I who has a choice on how to respond to the message. Tar the thing is. Before I enter the House of the Lord today. I know what the Bible says about Love and what is says about how I should Love you. Please don't make it harder than it should be.

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Is your glass half full or half empty? There are different types of people just as there are different types of dogs. Who is to say which type is best or worse. Imagine if everyone went around smiling all of the time and there were never any arguements. Imagine if everyone went around frowning all of the time and all we did was argue.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is your glass half full or half empty? There are different types of people just as there are different types of dogs. Who is to say which type is best or worse. Imagine if everyone went around smiling all of the time and there were never any arguements. Imagine if everyone went around frowning all of the time and all we did was argue.

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Bruce!!!!

I am not a big baseball fan, but I know a GRANDSLAM when I see it/read it!! But 2 of them in 2 hours! GREAT POSTS well said! How is that for off topic? Coonhounds to Baseball!

Randi Bidlack

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Richard most mistake kindness for weakness. But there is a benefit to being kind. You see how someone treats a person they think is weak. Then you find out how fast they can run when they found out they were mistaken.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Richard most mistake kindness for weakness. But there is a benefit to being kind. You see how someone treats a person they think is weak. Then you find out how fast they can run when they found out they were mistaken.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Is your glass half full or half empty? There are different types of people just as there are different types of dogs. Who is to say which type is best or worse. Imagine if everyone went around smiling all of the time and there were never any arguements. Imagine if everyone went around frowning all of the time and all we did was argue.

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Oh my goodness, is money the root of all evil? Or is money what makes the world go round? Is money a good thing or a bad thing? Does the answer depend on whether you have money or not? Is the answer different when you are talking about your money or when you are talking about someone else's money?

Money has always been involved in coon hunting. It used to be the price of hides. Now it is the comp purses.

Ok richard what do you think changed a five coon a cast 3 hr hunt hide gatheren back in the day dog. To a babble blow deep one coon wonder no packing no backing cover late get ate dog of today that was more less Bruce’s question I tried to answer it best I could.


Tarbaby

Tarbaby, Coon hunters changed them. The Coon hunters of today are not like the Coon hunters of yesterday. Human beings as a whole have changed. Values have changed. Our whole society has changed. It is more fast paced. That change is just reflected in our coonhounds.
Are you going to blame all of the ills of society today on money? I am sure that you can attempt to make that argument but it is a lot more complicated than that. Saying that the changes in coonhounds is solely because of money is a big over simplification. Surely you are smart enough to know that.

Mr. Lambert

I believe Tar is suggesting that the money hunts that always have a winner definitely played a significant role in how the dogs of today have changed. Winning hunts became the dominant factor in what we hunt or I should say what the dollar hunt handlers hunt. It was more about winning than having a true coon dog, or what most pleasure hunters would call a true coon dog. We CAN NOT deny that money or the desire to win money hunts has not played a big role in what kind of dogs are being bred and hunted in these hunts. Myself, I could care less about what kind of dog anyone hunts, I have my standards and the dogs I hunt have to suit me. Jumping on the flavor of the month band wagon type of dogs does not have to be for every one. Hunt the type of dog you are satisfied with and do not worry about what some one else is hunting. Dave

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Tarbaby, Coon hunters changed them. The Coon hunters of today are not like the Coon hunters of yesterday. Human beings as a whole have changed. Values have changed. Our whole society has changed. It is more fast paced. That change is just reflected in our coonhounds.
Are you going to blame all of the ills of society today on money? I am sure that you can attempt to make that argument but it is a lot more complicated than that. Saying that the changes in coonhounds is solely because of money is a big over simplification. Surely you are smart enough to know that. [/QUOTE


Surely you know that’s not the case we fought for the rules a long time so these kids could win money because that’s what they wanted and there are a bunch of old doggies around here that like the one hour minie slams they can compete again. I am going to give it one more shot rules and the loopholes in them the top handlers learned to take faults in a dog that would have got it culled back in the day and turn it into qualities now that can win hunts by working the clock not against the other dogs in the cast in other words usually not a dog to have fun with at home. As many hunts as these circuit dogs make a week I doubt they get hunted at home much.


I don’t want to walk my guts out to look at a coon when I just turn on the nature channel and see one from the couch.



Tar

Dogs

One mans poison is another mans tea, as long as we have had hunting dogs, what one man liked another man did not like. We all tend to pick the things in life that we like and rightly so, we just all do not pick the same things, just as rightly so. I would like to think that just because something does not suit me, that it just might suit some one else. Why does that concept seem so hard for some folks to digest? I have hunted for many years and I have NEVER seen any dog that would suit every one that hunted with it, it might be the dogs hunting style, mouth or heaven forbid the dogs color that someone does not like. Trust me, that's a true statement, that's just how folks are and that's not bad, it's just that we are different. Heaven forbid that we would all like and want the same things, be it a dog, gun, truck, house or anything you can think of. Arguing about dogs is as useless as arguing about the weather, both change ALL the time. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
One mans poison is another mans tea, as long as we have had hunting dogs, what one man liked another man did not like. We all tend to pick the things in life that we like and rightly so, we just all do not pick the same things, just as rightly so. I would like to think that just because something does not suit me, that it just might suit some one else. Why does that concept seem so hard for some folks to digest? I have hunted for many years and I have NEVER seen any dog that would suit every one that hunted with it, it might be the dogs hunting style, mouth or heaven forbid the dogs color that someone does not like. Trust me, that's a true statement, that's just how folks are and that's not bad, it's just that we are different. Heaven forbid that we would all like and want the same things, be it a dog, gun, truck, house or anything you can think of. Arguing about dogs is as useless as arguing about the weather, both change ALL the time. Dave

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