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Didn’t have all these problems till we got stylish Harry in our pedigrees.


Last night was elmbuditus.



Tar

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Didn’t have all these problems till we got stylish Harry in our pedigrees.


Last night was elmbuditus.



Tar

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Two elm trees with nothing but elm buds then I lost my composure and like majic treeing a coon seemed easy lol.



Tar

Elm-bud-i-tus, a term used to describe the correction of a dog that trees slick on elm trees

Re: Donald Bergeron

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
I think you know where she got from if the mom and dad both were good track dogs! You may need to make that cross again, we need more good track dogs. JS. dave

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Corey and I have littermate sisters they get in too much trouble together.


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Originally posted by yadkintar
Corey and I have littermate sisters they get in too much trouble together.


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Yadkintar

Yes most of them are more intelligent and or have the abilities to control their adrenaline so they may think.

Other than that Scent aggression is what makes the difference in track Dogs. Scent aggression is what makes a Hound Rig as well. The level of aggression a Hound has towards scent is reflective of how hard a Hound will stay tracking for it.

With this information, we can raise any Hounds level of scent aggression by lightly using Rig Dog Training as it is the same mechanism. This equals raising Track depth!!!

I use what I call a scent box so I may raise scent aggression on all of my Hounds and marry belief in their Nose (the foundation to winding accuracy) in a manner that mimics how all Wild k-9 preditors learn it naturally.

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I can agree with that Willy. Do you think some lines are easier to make fit the mold than others.


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Treeing Accuracy

I don't believe that you can teach a dog to locate accurately if they don't have ability to know a coon is there.
And I have seen plenty of outstanding track dogs that would stop and rest when the game did and track again when the game got rested up and ran again. This often happens with coon, bear and coyote dogs. They just won't close the few yards of distance.
Some of the aggressive coon dog strains will kill a 60# dog, but couldn't kill a 15# coon in a week.

I agree with Willys training techniques in general. I bought his book and video.

You can make a house fly if you put a big enough propeller on it, but that doesn't necessarily mean its is a good idea.

WildWilly...I like your perceptions when it comes to understanding dogs...

Here is how I see it which is similar to your ways...but first I will say this...when I was a kid each time I was sick with a stomach ache or fever the first thing I was given was a 7 up to drink and at that time I sure didn’t want it and still don’t care for it...I loved ice cream but only got a little on account I had 8 other siblings...so I always was ready for a bowl of ice cream and still am...lol

So I use those learnings in my puppy training or sessions ...I don’t spend much time training just mainly exposing...just short and high quality sessions...

I also use hunger and treats in my favor because I have their attention because they are ready and competing to get the treat first or the most...

I also look for natural ability just in case I want to breed one at some point but just as important I want the best hunting dog possible...we can learn a lot about a pup by raising our own litters which is my favorite way...

I teach the pups to really like meat treats...early in the morning I walk up to the kennel from the upwind side so they can smell what I have and always before feeding... they can smell the treats as I give them attention they can lick my fingers...then I will give each pup a treat...repeat two more mornings...I take my time because I want them winding the treats...the fourth day I walk up to them and they smell the treats...I walk out about 20 or so feet from the kennel and scatter the treats strategically so they can wind from the kennel and the treats are scattered for two reasons...I then back away for a few minutes and observe pups for a little bit... I am looking for the one or two pups that are locked in on the scent in the wind...I then open the gate and sic and hiss the pups but first I look to see if a pup didn’t need encouragement to go...I sic the pups and watch them go...some take to it like a duck takes to water...others just need a little guidance...I see how they circle and locate...the best pups always perform the best each time...

I follow the same process when they are about 4 months old...I stage a wild pig in the woods about 50 yards in the woods and mark exactly where the wind is crossing the trail...I then drive with the pups tied in the buggy or truck bed and watch for natural winding...I then fire them up where I know they have the scent and turn them loose...my priority is looking for natural instinct and ability first...and exposing pups to these conditions when they want it most is always taken into consideration...I do not do these things in the heat of the day...I don’t do it when they just got through eating...I do not do it when they just got through playing had...I want them fully engaged with lots of want to in them and that is what I want in my favor...it is a form of Epigenetics...Epigenetics can be a positive or a negative...common sense tells us the right way...

While creating and performing these scenarios all the pups will benefit which is great...but I am looking for natural ability...

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I do believe a smart hound has a better chance of being a top track dog. If a hound catches old coon in waist high soybeans after running them for an hour or so their a decent track dog. Only had one in 50 years of coon hunting. He did it on a regular basis.

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track dogs

I'm no expert but I've owned and trained a few pretty good dogs in my time.You can pretty much tell what kind of a track dog he'll be at a really young age.The first time he hits a red hot track,if he takes it and tries to drive it,he may spend a lot of time running over it but that will take care of it's self in time.If he takes it and starts booing and trailing it he'll die booing and trailing.He may improve some but he'll always be a trailing dog with few exceptions.You take a young dog ,regardless of age ,six months or twenty months the first time he tree's a red hot track alone he will hold as much pressure as he will at five years old.You don't have to drag hides all over and hang them in tree's to get them to tree.If people would quit breeding these man made dogs and breed for natural ability you would see a big difference in the quality of dogs.Just think, you don't have to drag deer hides around to get dogs to run them and they've never caught one.A beagle that's never seen a rabbit will run one,it's natural.All you have to do is pick the lines that have natural track driving and treeing ability.

Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by oldsouth123
I'm no expert but I've owned and trained a few pretty good dogs in my time.You can pretty much tell what kind of a track dog he'll be at a really young age.The first time he hits a red hot track,if he takes it and tries to drive it,he may spend a lot of time running over it but that will take care of it's self in time.If he takes it and starts booing and trailing it he'll die booing and trailing.He may improve some but he'll always be a trailing dog with few exceptions.You take a young dog ,regardless of age ,six months or twenty months the first time he tree's a red hot track alone he will hold as much pressure as he will at five years old.You don't have to drag hides all over and hang them in tree's to get them to tree.If people would quit breeding these man made dogs and breed for natural ability you would see a big difference in the quality of dogs.Just think, you don't have to drag deer hides around to get dogs to run them and they've never caught one.A beagle that's never seen a rabbit will run one,it's natural.All you have to do is pick the lines that have natural track driving and treeing ability.

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Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by oldsouth123
I'm no expert but I've owned and trained a few pretty good dogs in my time.You can pretty much tell what kind of a track dog he'll be at a really young age.The first time he hits a red hot track,if he takes it and tries to drive it,he may spend a lot of time running over it but that will take care of it's self in time.If he takes it and starts booing and trailing it he'll die booing and trailing.He may improve some but he'll always be a trailing dog with few exceptions.You take a young dog ,regardless of age ,six months or twenty months the first time he tree's a red hot track alone he will hold as much pressure as he will at five years old.You don't have to drag hides all over and hang them in tree's to get them to tree.If people would quit breeding these man made dogs and breed for natural ability you would see a big difference in the quality of dogs.Just think, you don't have to drag deer hides around to get dogs to run them and they've never caught one.A beagle that's never seen a rabbit will run one,it's natural.All you have to do is pick the lines that have natural track driving and treeing ability.

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track dogs

Ok,so that's one or two in a lifetime of hunting.How many thousands of turn out's do you reckon that equals.

track dogs

I wonder how many deer hides he had to drag around to get him to run that deer.I've seen a world of dogs that couldn't even push a jumped deer. A lot of hunters think if a dog is barking a lot he's flying.Truth is the amount of barking and track speed have nothing in common.From what I've seen the last few years,a lot of hunters have never hunted with an outstanding track dog.Yes,there's a few out there but they're not as common as many think.There's some that move a track around pretty good but I don't want a dog that's trying to tree coons,I want him running his heart out to catch and kill him,before he can get to a tree.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Two elm trees with nothing but elm buds then I lost my composure and like majic treeing a coon seemed easy lol.



Tar

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I'm thinking Tar's new stick squaller is going to improve all dog's accuracy.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Once you had regained your composure did your squaller stick still work or did you knock the reeds out of it

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Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by oldsouth123
I wonder how many deer hides he had to drag around to get him to run that deer.I've seen a world of dogs that couldn't even push a jumped deer. A lot of hunters think if a dog is barking a lot he's flying.Truth is the amount of barking and track speed have nothing in common.From what I've seen the last few years,a lot of hunters have never hunted with an outstanding track dog.Yes,there's a few out there but they're not as common as many think.There's some that move a track around pretty good but I don't want a dog that's trying to tree coons,I want him running his heart out to catch and kill him,before he can get to a tree.

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Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by oldsouth123
I'm no expert but I've owned and trained a few pretty good dogs in my time.You can pretty much tell what kind of a track dog he'll be at a really young age.The first time he hits a red hot track,if he takes it and tries to drive it,he may spend a lot of time running over it but that will take care of it's self in time.If he takes it and starts booing and trailing it he'll die booing and trailing.He may improve some but he'll always be a trailing dog with few exceptions.You take a young dog ,regardless of age ,six months or twenty months the first time he tree's a red hot track alone he will hold as much pressure as he will at five years old.You don't have to drag hides all over and hang them in tree's to get them to tree.If people would quit breeding these man made dogs and breed for natural ability you would see a big difference in the quality of dogs.Just think, you don't have to drag deer hides around to get dogs to run them and they've never caught one.A beagle that's never seen a rabbit will run one,it's natural.All you have to do is pick the lines that have natural track driving and treeing ability.

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Re: Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by yadkintar
If y’all ever want to listen to a mans advice this is the man. He set the standred for the traits that I look for in a dog today. You would be surprised to know who this is. He is a well known breeder.



Tar

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Originally posted by GES
Interesting....and you are still using a switch to get your dog to improve accuracy and tree a coon.

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Re: Re: track dogs

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Originally posted by yadkintar
If y’all ever want to listen to a mans advice this is the man. He set the standred for the traits that I look for in a dog today. You would be surprised to know who this is. He is a well known breeder.



Tar

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