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Posted by nickhagerman on 05-01-2020 06:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Ole Shady was a coon treeing son of a gun! Nice hound with a nice mouth!

Ol shady was definitely a coondog til the day he died. Just before turning 13 I believe last year.
Recently picked a 3yo female up out of him and lil bo peep never messed with just sat in the kennel. Cut her 1st night treed with outlaw and haunt looked back shes a pretty impressive lil dog for only seeing the woods bout 30 times or so now. She gets split and holds pressure trees coon alone or with others. Shes gun shy cant shoot around her( I'd say from being in a kennel her whole life)
So shes only seen a coon or 2. Shady threw absolute naturals crossed on the right females. Sure do miss him

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Posted by southernthunder on 05-01-2020 08:35 PM:

Re: Thanks

quote:
Originally posted by david woofter
Thanks Eddie their owners all love them. Dave

I'm thinking on breeding 3 of my females out of Crocket to some different males. each of the 3 females are nice and out of nice females that all go back to Levi's Northern Blue Dancer as the grandsire. I've got certain traits that I don't want to loose and would like more information on this hound thanks a bunch ...Eddie

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Posted by southernthunder on 05-02-2020 01:36 AM:

Re: He Passed Eddie

quote:
Originally posted by david woofter
He died last year. He was owned by James Osborne in WY when I bred to him. Dave

I'm sorry to hear that.

Posted by steeb_63 on 05-02-2020 06:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Trent
Steeb_63 you definitely did the opposite of this post, I get what you’re saying, but you mentioned the 2 that are in the limelight at the moment we all know about Lonesome 2 and BC. I intended it for more behind the scenes overlooked ones...

I guess steber smiths blue buzzard then lol or stebers mighty lonesome he was a very impressive hound that got overlooked he sired 39 pups

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Posted by Trent on 05-02-2020 08:04 PM:

Steeb,
There ya go, that’s exactly what I was looking for more of the “behind the barn” type. Got any that come to mind that are still with us?

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Posted by southernthunder on 05-03-2020 02:41 PM:

Troy Sheffield's Echo II should have been breed more. He was a world hunt finalist and put lots of drive in his pups. His sire Echo was the same way.

Posted by Trent on 05-03-2020 03:55 PM:

Prairie Creek Botox would be another

Posted by Ricochet17 on 05-04-2020 04:05 AM:

I'll chime in, but mine is more than 10 years ago. Dual Grand Sexton's Jimmy 1.

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Posted by southernthunder on 05-04-2020 04:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ricochet17
I'll chime in, but mine is more than 10 years ago. Dual Grand Sexton's Jimmy 1.

Yes and that's where the Echo dog came from

Posted by ov_blues on 05-04-2020 05:00 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ricochet17
I'll chime in, but mine is more than 10 years ago. Dual Grand Sexton's Jimmy 1.

If UKC would have had a current reproducers list published back the it’s no telling how many more females that would have been bred to him. His percentage of titled dogs was outstanding and that was back when it was harder to title a dog. He could have statistically been the best reproducer the breed has ever had.

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Posted by southernthunder on 05-04-2020 02:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ov_blues
If UKC would have had a current reproducers list published back the it’s no telling how many more females that would have been bred to him. His percentage of titled dogs was outstanding and that was back when it was harder to title a dog. He could have statistically been the best reproducer the breed has ever had.

Yes Sir! You know I'm a fan of this hound and line of hounds. All of mine are doubled and tripled up on him.

Posted by BluBritches on 05-04-2020 03:21 PM:

Maybe young and dumb

quote:
Originally posted by ov_blues
If UKC would have had a current reproducers list published back the it’s no telling how many more females that would have been bred to him. His percentage of titled dogs was outstanding and that was back when it was harder to title a dog. He could have statistically been the best reproducer the breed has ever had.

This was back before I knew what hounds was making a name for themselves and never seen or hunted with him so not pretending to know anything in specific........
But in general maybe only a handful of females was the reason percentages were so high
I (for now) believe that A: REPRODUCER list is not a perfect system cause no way to know how many pups turn out to be good hounds that just never go to town
But more importantly B: if top name studs bred less females of a higher caliber maybe our percentage would look better. Honestly if 10% was the best we could reproduce that's kinda sad
Quantity or quality
A stud with 50 pups 0 titles and 40 coonhounds to me out weighs a stud with 500 pups 50 titles and 100 or less real good ones

Posted by Ricochet17 on 05-04-2020 11:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by southernthunder
Yes and that's where the Echo dog came from

Yes, I do know this. I made my way to Cawker City, Ks. Many times in the early 90's as a kid.

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Posted by ov_blues on 05-05-2020 05:17 PM:

Re: Maybe young and dumb

quote:
Originally posted by BluBritches
This was back before I knew what hounds was making a name for themselves and never seen or hunted with him so not pretending to know anything in specific........
But in general maybe only a handful of females was the reason percentages were so high
I (for now) believe that A: REPRODUCER list is not a perfect system cause no way to know how many pups turn out to be good hounds that just never go to town
But more importantly B: if top name studs bred less females of a higher caliber maybe our percentage would look better. Honestly if 10% was the best we could reproduce that's kinda sad
Quantity or quality
A stud with 50 pups 0 titles and 40 coonhounds to me out weighs a stud with 500 pups 50 titles and 100 or less real good ones

Sexton's Jimmy had 141 pups, 6 Grand Nights, and 17 Night Champions for a 16.3% average. That was back when hunt numbers were higher, firsts for Night Champion and high scoring Nt Ch per night were harder to get. I'm sure that he produced several behind the barn coon dogs, dogs that weren't hunted in hunts, or not enough to get the elusive first place win etc. He had to be a top reproducer to get those numbers.

Just to give a comparison to that time frame and now, I had a female that I had 320 points on before I got my first place win. She was a low end strike dog and a first tree dog. When they changed the rules to 125 tree I finished her and then went on to finish her to Grand Night without a problem although there were still several Nt Ch wins that never gave me any wins toward Grand. If I had her today she would get her 13 cast wins to make Grand Night in a lot less time than it took to make her Grand Night back then.

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Posted by BluBritches on 05-05-2020 09:15 PM:

Good numbers

141 pups is a good number
Under 50 pups makes it hard for me to say that a stud really reproduced especially if a couple crosses were on the same female or even the same lines
Over 500 pups makes me wonder if all the females bred was truly quality breedings or just another cross
Not talking about any specific dogs it's just my view in general and I'm sure there are exceptions
Again just an opinion and not to say it won't change in time

Posted by Ricochet17 on 05-06-2020 02:24 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by ov_blues
If UKC would have had a current reproducers list published back the it’s no telling how many more females that would have been bred to him. His percentage of titled dogs was outstanding and that was back when it was harder to title a dog. He could have statistically been the best reproducer the breed has ever had.

The dog continuously gets overlooked or forgotten to at least on the ballot for Bluetick HOF. JMO

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