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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
Now Tar are you getting old and blind or what??? There are 2 kinds of dogs one that might have a coon and a dog that is gonna have a coon. Those ones that might have a coon are probably struggling the ones that are gonna have a coon May not get treed or may be 2 miles but that average isn’t going to go down any. All dogs will have a bad night but I’m not gonna pack one that has less than 70% of its coons any night. I’ll just keep driving to the next county over and picking them up if they aren’t moving.

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Originally posted by Trueblood85
I understand what he's saying but if your dog just treed slick seems like he missed that one too. Personally I'd rather leave a few than hike to a dog treeing air.

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Originally posted by Trueblood85
I understand what he's saying but if your dog just treed slick seems like he missed that one too. Personally I'd rather leave a few than hike to a dog treeing air.

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I don't think in terms of accuracy the way some people do. We have leaves on about 1/3 of our trees all year. And that's where most of the coons go. I decide if he could be there. In the three years I've been hunting the female I have now, she's treed on three trees you could minus, they were all persimmon trees. When she tree on a leafless tree, I've always found the coon. She's got about one million faults but accuracy isn't one of them.

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Donald Bergeron

Mr Edinger

No disrespect sir but I just can't buy that we now have gambling dogs. Some only tree when they know others tree when they think they know or just giving up. Which makes it unreliable after a point.

Re: Mr Edinger

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Originally posted by Trueblood85
No disrespect sir but I just can't buy that we now have gambling dogs. Some only tree when they know others tree when they think they know or just giving up. Which makes it unreliable after a point.

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Originally posted by Richard Edinger
You ever see a dog sniff all over a tree with a coon setting up then move on, that is a miss. A gambler is going to take his chance and get treed.

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Slick Trees

Hunt what you want to hunt, think what you want to think, tell yourself that ALL dogs mess up this time of year and just maybe you will convince yourself that no ACCURATE dogs exist. I fully expect my dogs to strike and finish every track with a coon looking down, I will NOT make any excuses if they don't. I WILL NOT hunt any dog that trees 2 to 3 slick trees a night regardless of the conditions. While I have NOT hunted as hard this year as I usually do, my hunting partner has and together we have treed and shot out over a hundred coons. You could count the number of slick trees on one hand and have fingers left over. If anyone doubts the accuracy if these dogs, put your boots on and come go hunting with us, bring your measuring stick if you want. All of this is hunting steep mountains in thin coon with plenty of dens and ever green trees like pine, hemlock and cedar. Slick treeing is a DOG problem, has nothing to do with hunting conditions and accepting this is a OWNERS problem. A bad night is when you have trouble striking a coon track, treeing slick trees is a DOG PROBLEM. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Last nights hunt. This is an example that may or may not apply to what is being said here. Turned my 4 year old and a pup loose. They get struck and work a track 3/4 mile. Seemed like tracking was hard but maybe my dogs are not very good. They get treed and have a big coon. Move to another place and they get struck and again work a track that is not very good for about 3/4 mile and come out on a dirt/gravel road. They cross the road and get treed. Big tree that "might" be a den. Big broke off limb up high but I can't see enough to see if it's hollow. So they were 50%. Was I unhappy with them? no. Did the 4 year old gamble on the last tree? Maybe. I personally never saw a dog that could finish 85% of his strikes with a coon on the outside. My 4 year old did have a streak of 26 strikes, 26 coon no dens. But I'm gonna tell you he got lucky to go that long.

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Tom Wood

Dogs

This thread like most threads on this forum has gotten several responses, some responses better than others. I can only say that unless you have seen a TOP COON DOG go night in night out, you may not understand or believe how accurate a dog can be and should be. I consider myself to be fortunate enough to have owned and hunted with dogs that showed me what a COON DOG really was. The common theme among the hunters that have owned Top Coon Dogs is "They spoil you". I am not satisfied with a average dog that just trees coon but makes a lot of mistakes. I know there are better dogs available and will not hunt those types of dogs. I would rather be home in a warm bed that following a slick treeing hound. My measuring stick is how accurate a dog is in Jan and Feb, when the average dog looks like crap, mine better produce coons not trees. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
This thread like most threads on this forum has gotten several responses, some responses better than others. I can only say that unless you have seen a TOP COON DOG go night in night out, you may not understand or believe how accurate a dog can be and should be. I consider myself to be fortunate enough to have owned and hunted with dogs that showed me what a COON DOG really was. The common theme among the hunters that have owned Top Coon Dogs is "They spoil you". I am not satisfied with a average dog that just trees coon but makes a lot of mistakes. I know there are better dogs available and will not hunt those types of dogs. I would rather be home in a warm bed that following a slick treeing hound. My measuring stick is how accurate a dog is in Jan and Feb, when the average dog looks like crap, mine better produce coons not trees. Dave

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Dave I appreciate what you said and I know there are better dogs out there than I have but I have been looking since last summer and hunted with several dogs that were supposed to be TOP dogs and they weren't as good as mine, so they are hard to find. The other question that comes to my mind is if a dog can tree 90+% of his strikes with a coon on the outside, shouldn't that dog dominate in competition hunting? If he does not then the question is why not?

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Originally posted by shadinc
Did you ever see a dog sniff all over a tree with no coon and move on, then another trees there? That's your gambler. Not a good trait when he's 1/2 mile away through swamps, briars and thickets.

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I live in Ohio sense Dec 1 my Dr law female is 41 coons 7dens and3 slicks and a lot of walking. December usually is a tuff month to coon hunt.

Dave hit the nail on the head far as I'm concerned with how to measure a dog, that's the way it will be done around here anyway.

Edinger, if a dog leaves a tree and a track didn't he doesn't sound like a tree dog. But yes a coon may get left up a tree when the tree is checked and anther coon track is still going. But a dog that smells a track that went up a tree but doesn't know to check for the track leaving is far from finished in my opinion and if that's the kind of gambling dog wants to do, the stakes are high⚰

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Originally posted by Preacher Tom
Dave I appreciate what you said and I know there are better dogs out there than I have but I have been looking since last summer and hunted with several dogs that were supposed to be TOP dogs and they weren't as good as mine, so they are hard to find. The other question that comes to my mind is if a dog can tree 90+% of his strikes with a coon on the outside, shouldn't that dog dominate in competition hunting? If he does not then the question is why not?

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Originally posted by shadinc
I don't think in terms of accuracy the way some people do. We have leaves on about 1/3 of our trees all year. And that's where most of the coons go. I decide if he could be there. In the three years I've been hunting the female I have now, she's treed on three trees you could minus, they were all persimmon trees. When she tree on a leafless tree, I've always found the coon. She's got about one million faults but accuracy isn't one of them.

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Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
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Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

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Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

Tar/Tom

Tar, you had 2 that showed you a coon or den every time, so you know they exist. I know they exist, I buried 1 in December at age 14 that was deadly accurate up until he died on hot tracks, cold tracks and layups. Hunting one now that was trained with him that's deadly accurate. Tom, nothing has changed in all these years, a man hears about a Top Dog for sale only to hunt with the dog and realize it's average at best. TOP COON DOGS are rarely ever for sale, if sold they usually are sold to a close hunting buddy. Like you, I have tried many dogs that were supposed to be special, but we're only average or worse. TOP dogs are rare, but exist, my wish is that everyone gets to hunt with someone who owns a Top Dog just to see them operate. Beware of the risk you take when you do, you may never be satisfied with anything less. I was fortunate to hunt with my first real coon dog in my twenties, which I was able to buy. He was my measuring stuck there after and taught me what a COON DOG WAS. I have only owned 3 in his league, but several that were close, not settling for average dogs allowed me to hunt with some really good dogs over the past 50 years. Dave

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
You boys are going to think I’m lying and that’s ok. A boy that lives south of us about 30 minutes had a dog he called Jerry. The dog is dead and gone now but he was a big hard hunting steal mouth dog. The last kill season he hunted him the dog made 187 trees and he knocked out 153 single coon to him. Ty is as honest as they come. The type that if he said a rooster dips snuff if you pick up his wings your gonna find his can. I watched the dog make 35 trees in 6 nights of hunting in December and had 35 coon on the outside. He was hands down the best I’ve ever seen at having a coon.

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Get deep or Get Beat!

Yup Dave and neither were trained to be that way they were born that way. This female is accurate under pressure but with some of the linage she has you lay her up for three weeks or a month your going to have to give her some spankings to get her head back on straight. You could lay those other two up a month and they were the same dog.


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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Tar, you had 2 that showed you a coon or den every time, so you know they exist. I know they exist, I buried 1 in December at age 14 that was deadly accurate up until he died on hot tracks, cold tracks and layups. Hunting one now that was trained with him that's deadly accurate. Tom, nothing has changed in all these years, a man hears about a Top Dog for sale only to hunt with the dog and realize it's average at best. TOP COON DOGS are rarely ever for sale, if sold they usually are sold to a close hunting buddy. Like you, I have tried many dogs that were supposed to be special, but we're only average or worse. TOP dogs are rare, but exist, my wish is that everyone gets to hunt with someone who owns a Top Dog just to see them operate. Beware of the risk you take when you do, you may never be satisfied with anything less. I was fortunate to hunt with my first real coon dog in my twenties, which I was able to buy. He was my measuring stuck there after and taught me what a COON DOG WAS. I have only owned 3 in his league, but several that were close, not settling for average dogs allowed me to hunt with some really good dogs over the past 50 years. Dave

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Hill Country Kennels Itty-Bitty
PKC CH Wax's Late Night Boom
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Partners on a few common trashy young dogs

Gone but not forgotten

GrNtCh, PKC Ch Hillbilly Bildo
Pr Broken Oaks Wild Blue Gypsy

OK if they are that rare don't most of us have to settle for something less? I would love to have one but as Dave says they are not for sale. So if even one out of 500 is that dog I would have to start a lot of pups to ever get one. I will be happy with a dog that drops in, finds a track, can move that track and tree that coon 80% of the time. To me just too many variables for me to expect any better. You guys that have the other kind are truly blessed.

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Eric DePue

No, I have never seen more than 1 turned loose at the same time, lucky enough to see 1. They are far and few between, but they exist as both you and I know. I have only owned 3 and hunted with 2 to 3 others in 50 years of hunting. While I have hunted with a lot of dogs, there are thousands of dogs that I have never hunted with and I am sure some of those dogs were Top COON DOGS. Hope you find one you like, I know you won't settle for less, the quest is what keeps us hoping for just 1 more Top COON DOG. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Tar, you had 2 that showed you a coon or den every time, so you know they exist. I know they exist, I buried 1 in December at age 14 that was deadly accurate up until he died on hot tracks, cold tracks and layups. Hunting one now that was trained with him that's deadly accurate. Tom, nothing has changed in all these years, a man hears about a Top Dog for sale only to hunt with the dog and realize it's average at best. TOP COON DOGS are rarely ever for sale, if sold they usually are sold to a close hunting buddy. Like you, I have tried many dogs that were supposed to be special, but we're only average or worse. TOP dogs are rare, but exist, my wish is that everyone gets to hunt with someone who owns a Top Dog just to see them operate. Beware of the risk you take when you do, you may never be satisfied with anything less. I was fortunate to hunt with my first real coon dog in my twenties, which I was able to buy. He was my measuring stuck there after and taught me what a COON DOG WAS. I have only owned 3 in his league, but several that were close, not settling for average dogs allowed me to hunt with some really good dogs over the past 50 years. Dave

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Den vs slick

Personally I think a den and slick are 2 completely different issues. Slick means absolutely no coon which should be counted against accuracy but a den means the dog could be right so I wouldn't agree with counting all dens against accuracy. ??