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So my question is what did you MPH fellas do before garmin? Your beep beep collar didn't tell you mph did you guess ? Zap him when you thought it wasn't moving fast enough?

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Originally posted by novicane65
So you don't cut down old logging roads or cut in open fields?

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
So my question is what did you MPH fellas do before garmin? Your beep beep collar didn't tell you mph did you guess ? Zap him when you thought it wasn't moving fast enough?

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Here is another thought. What does a dog hunt like when cut loose without or with company? I have seen some that will hunt a lot faster when cut loose with a dog . Others that only hunt as fast as the other dog or dogs. Some that don't hunt till it literally out runs the rest of the other dogs. Some that won't hunt with another dog. Some that won't hunt till there alone. Plenty of handlers/owners that never even understand how there own dog works. That's why speed isn't everything. To many variables.

Way too many variables for a black & white answer.

If ole blue decides to get out of the light I consider it being productive & a run away To get treed is cause for celebration, & to actually have a coon in the tree is a bonafide Holiday!

Regardless of area/terrain, some dogs just seem to tree more coon than others.

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
So my question is what did you MPH fellas do before garmin? Your beep beep collar didn't tell you mph did you guess ? Zap him when you thought it wasn't moving fast enough?

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Originally posted by novicane65
You had to guess, but you had slow to fast same as now but no real way to measure speed other than a watch.

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Originally posted by Cotton 1927
yes Sir I was there pre garmin and pre beep beep ! And we had dogs that treed coon then also.....

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I sure like to see them making big swings and Averaging in the double digits all the time. Sometimes in the flooded river bottoms they will slow down but then I still like to see them close to 10 mph. I turned a dog loose last winter in a bottom and he was 900+ yards treed before I could walk back and shut my tailgate. Went 18 mph across there. If a guy had one that did that all the time he would have something. They just don’t hardly make them though. I wish I had my name on the one I saw do it.

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Like most others are saying, terrain is a major factor in speed. I live in WV where there are no corn fields or patch woods, just cut over timber and 80/90% wooded area that's polluted with grape vines and honey suckle vines. We do have some open standing timber but this time of the year, the only thing the coon use them for is to den in. They feed in the thickets and that's usually where you end up. Also we have big hills and hollers to go with it. I am hunting a little female right now that will absolutely ware you out. If the coon aren't moving, you will walk to a tree somewhere and it won't take long for her to get gone and over the ridge and she don't need company to do it! I love her, I just wish I'd had her about 25 years ago when I was younger but then I wouldn't have had a tracking system, lol. Most of the time she goes about 4-6 mph in this terrain but she has gone faster and slower. That's plenty fast enough for my area! She doesn't hunt thorough enough to suit me but if there's a coon within reasonable distance, it's in trouble cause she has her head in the air all the time. I believe a dog would be hard pressed to average 15+ mph in my area and be productive, jmo. I do like to see one get gone quick and make things happen but to each his/her own.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
Like most others are saying, terrain is a major factor in speed. I live in WV where there are no corn fields or patch woods, just cut over timber and 80/90% wooded area that's polluted with grape vines and honey suckle vines. We do have some open standing timber but this time of the year, the only thing the coon use them for is to den in. They feed in the thickets and that's usually where you end up. Also we have big hills and hollers to go with it. I am hunting a little female right now that will absolutely ware you out. If the coon aren't moving, you will walk to a tree somewhere and it won't take long for her to get gone and over the ridge and she don't need company to do it! I love her, I just wish I'd had her about 25 years ago when I was younger but then I wouldn't have had a tracking system, lol. Most of the time she goes about 4-6 mph in this terrain but she has gone faster and slower. That's plenty fast enough for my area! She doesn't hunt thorough enough to suit me but if there's a coon within reasonable distance, it's in trouble cause she has her head in the air all the time. I believe a dog would be hard pressed to average 15+ mph in my area and be productive, jmo. I do like to see one get gone quick and make things happen but to each his/her own.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
Like most others are saying, terrain is a major factor in speed. I live in WV where there are no corn fields or patch woods, just cut over timber and 80/90% wooded area that's polluted with grape vines and honey suckle vines. We do have some open standing timber but this time of the year, the only thing the coon use them for is to den in. They feed in the thickets and that's usually where you end up. Also we have big hills and hollers to go with it. I am hunting a little female right now that will absolutely ware you out. If the coon aren't moving, you will walk to a tree somewhere and it won't take long for her to get gone and over the ridge and she don't need company to do it! I love her, I just wish I'd had her about 25 years ago when I was younger but then I wouldn't have had a tracking system, lol. Most of the time she goes about 4-6 mph in this terrain but she has gone faster and slower. That's plenty fast enough for my area! She doesn't hunt thorough enough to suit me but if there's a coon within reasonable distance, it's in trouble cause she has her head in the air all the time. I believe a dog would be hard pressed to average 15+ mph in my area and be productive, jmo. I do like to see one get gone quick and make things happen but to each his/her own.

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Originally posted by Ron Moore
Like most others are saying, terrain is a major factor in speed. I live in WV where there are no corn fields or patch woods, just cut over timber and 80/90% wooded area that's polluted with grape vines and honey suckle vines. We do have some open standing timber but this time of the year, the only thing the coon use them for is to den in. They feed in the thickets and that's usually where you end up. Also we have big hills and hollers to go with it. I am hunting a little female right now that will absolutely ware you out. If the coon aren't moving, you will walk to a tree somewhere and it won't take long for her to get gone and over the ridge and she don't need company to do it! I love her, I just wish I'd had her about 25 years ago when I was younger but then I wouldn't have had a tracking system, lol. Most of the time she goes about 4-6 mph in this terrain but she has gone faster and slower. That's plenty fast enough for my area! She doesn't hunt thorough enough to suit me but if there's a coon within reasonable distance, it's in trouble cause she has her head in the air all the time. I believe a dog would be hard pressed to average 15+ mph in my area and be productive, jmo. I do like to see one get gone quick and make things happen but to each his/her own.

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Oklared

Lol. Must be some of those 18mph hounds that are faster than the coon that tree all them slick tree. Hunting in these mountains, you really don't need a speed demon, they All will be treed a LONG time before you ever get to the tree. My dogs trees better have coons when I get there, got no use for a slick treeing dog. Dave. P.S. I want to hunt with one of those 18mph dogs in these mountains and see just how long it takes them to slow down 3 miles in 10 minutes is a mile every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, I bet it won't take long to slow them down. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Lol. Must be some of those 18mph hounds that are faster than the coon that tree all them slick tree. Hunting in these mountains, you really don't need a speed demon, they All will be treed a LONG time before you ever get to the tree. My dogs trees better have coons when I get there, got no use for a slick treeing dog. Dave. P.S. I want to hunt with one of those 18mph dogs in these mountains and see just how long it takes them to slow down 3 miles in 10 minutes is a mile every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, I bet it won't take long to slow them down. Dave

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I like a fast dog, but I want them to hunt the area that I put them in. No straightf line hunters for me. I would not want to hunt the English dog you mentioned in these mountains, maybe 20 years ago, not these days. Lol. Dave

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Just because they are moving at 15-20 mph doesn’t mean it’s in a straight line. Some do, so cast around a lot . Mph has nothing to do with distance away from you .

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Originally posted by Sonny Phipps
Just because they are moving at 15-20 mph doesn’t mean it’s in a straight line. Some do, so cast around a lot . Mph has nothing to do with distance away from you .

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Lots of dogs that people claim are averaging 15 mph, are getting credit for their collar being turned on for the trip to the woods. That 60 mph 20 minute trip really helps their average...

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
Lots of dogs that people claim are averaging 15 mph, are getting credit for their collar being turned on for the trip to the woods. That 60 mph 20 minute trip really helps their average...

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Speed

Cory, I figured just what you fingered, collar has truck time involved. Heck a horse can't run like that for any great distance. 18 mph is going a mile every 3 minutes and 20 seconds, how long or far could any animal maintain that speed? To average 18mph they would have to run even faster at times.. I have racking horses that can rack over 20 mph, but not for any real time or distance. On a 20 mile ride, you would not average over 5 to 6 miles an hour or kill your horse in the process. 6 miles per hour is a mile every 10 minutes or s steady pace without stopping to rest. Been there done that to many times on a horse to even think a dog can average any better over a 2 to 3 hour hunt. Now a dog can run fast for short distance, but CANNOT maintain any real speed. Dave

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Two hounds turnt loose together, one travels 12 mph for 5 minutes, one messes around for 5 minutes goes 50 yds and trees a coon. After shooting the coon out it's been 15 minutes and 12 mph is treed 3 miles away. Now guess which hound I enjoy hunting.

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After reading this post, I watched my dog's speed last night. I turned my nice methodical 4 mph female loose last. She had been up for 4 days. She went blasting through the woods at 7 mph. When she got 1 mile away without a bark, she ran out of woods. So, I toned her and she came back in. Next drop she only went 3 mph and treed a coon at 300yds. I sure liked that better than her 7 mph run.

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Originally posted by blueticker
Two hounds turnt loose together, one travels 12 mph for 5 minutes, one messes around for 5 minutes goes 50 yds and trees a coon. After shooting the coon out it's been 15 minutes and 12 mph is treed 3 miles away. Now guess which hound I enjoy hunting.

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