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I will be honest with you though I’ve Hunted at every level and have been lucky enough to have a little bit of success and I can honestly say that these hot nosed ambush type dogs are truly the minority. Some good friends of mine learned that the hard way at the world hunt. They learned that those dead loners could tree them like squirrels all around them if they needed to.
Sometimes I wonder what you guys are talking about when you talk about good track dogs. I think of one that every track it strikes is ran like it’s running junk even on those cold frosty nights. I wouldn’t own one that consistently spent an hour or more trailing or even 30 minutes for that matter. If they are consistently spending that much time on the ground they aren’t good cold nose track dogs they are just to ignorant to get it up and drive it.

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Re: Real coon dog

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Just for the record, every dog that I have ever seen, owned or hunted with that I called a top coon dog or "real" coon dog was just as good at competition hunting as they were pleasure hunting. I have seen lots of dogs that were either goid competition dogs or pleasure hunting dogs, but not both. A real coon dog is both, makes NO difference to them whether it's competition or pleasure hunting, they perform at a higher level at all times. Dalton, your post was spot on, makes NO difference what the other dogs do to a real coon dog. Dave

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
A lot of dogs can tree a coon but just because a dog consistently trees coons doesn’t make it in any way shape or form a coon dog. I’ve hunted with literally hundreds of dogs that consistently treed coons that were common as green grass in the summertime. A coon dog can be cut loose with 10 dogs 5 strike a deer and run it through the country and the other 5 tree every possum in the woods and Mr coon dog will be sunk through the country with a ricky above him. They have to be 100% indifferent to all of the nonsense that’s going on around them. Everyone claims to have a coon dog but they would quickly learn different under the circumstances I’ve listed above. Also a coon dog will NEVER have a bad night. They may have a bad drop but never a bad night. Even on there bad drops you can still see the superiority to the dogs around them.

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Originally posted by Team Mafia 2
A lot of dogs can tree a coon but just because a dog consistently trees coons doesn’t make it in any way shape or form a coon dog. I’ve hunted with literally hundreds of dogs that consistently treed coons that were common as green grass in the summertime. A coon dog can be cut loose with 10 dogs 5 strike a deer and run it through the country and the other 5 tree every possum in the woods and Mr coon dog will be sunk through the country with a ricky above him. They have to be 100% indifferent to all of the nonsense that’s going on around them. Everyone claims to have a coon dog but they would quickly learn different under the circumstances I’ve listed above. Also a coon dog will NEVER have a bad night. They may have a bad drop but never a bad night. Even on there bad drops you can still see the superiority to the dogs around them.

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When it gets to where 2 or 3 of the dogs in a cast tree coons all by themselves, then you have to have a dog that also gets first strike every time and doesnt fool with a den tree. Is that a coon dog?

What do you mean doesn't fool with a den tree?

They only tree hot tracks that they run up on so they never trail a coon to its den.

Got ya

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
They only tree hot tracks that they run up on so they never trail a coon to its den.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
They only tree hot tracks that they run up on so they never trail a coon to its den.

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I've gotten where I can hunt most any style of dog and appreciate what it does, so long as it does it well. I can enjoy a trailing dog, so long as he goes the right way and doesn't trail in one acre all night. And I can appreciate a hot nosed, sail through the country type dog, so long as he produces coons and has some "chrome" when he does it. I absolutely can't stand a hitchhiker, a babbler, or a lunatic I cant depend on.
I think winners can be pleasurable to hunt, and pleasure dogs can be winners. But I think there are alot of dogs that get called "pleasure dogs" because they just aren't much good, and there are "competition dogs" with glaring holes and weaknesses, that are being exploited because the rules encourage their faults.

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
I've gotten where I can hunt most any style of dog and appreciate what it does, so long as it does it well. I can enjoy a trailing dog, so long as he goes the right way and doesn't trail in one acre all night. And I can appreciate a hot nosed, sail through the country type dog, so long as he produces coons and has some "chrome" when he does it. I absolutely can't stand a hitchhiker, a babbler, or a lunatic I cant depend on.
I think winners can be pleasurable to hunt, and pleasure dogs can be winners. But I think there are alot of dogs that get called "pleasure dogs" because they just aren't much good, and there are "competition dogs" with glaring holes and weaknesses, that are being exploited because the rules encourage their faults.

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Outstanding Hounds, Pleasure or Competition

I agree with Cory. I'm not a competition hunter but have competition hunted. My Penney won the Grandmasters in 2015. The reason that I competition hunted was to locate a better dog than Penney to breed her too and not to win. The winning was bitter sweet because I never located a better dog while competition hunting.
There never has been very many truly outstanding dogs in pleasure or competition hunting. My definition of an outstanding dog is a first and first because of ability and does not have to be a loner to be first because they are always in the lead.
The real mark of an outstanding hound is that they are consistent and are not affected by where you hunt them or what the weather is!
They might not look outstanding on a given track, but they will still be better than what they are hunting with.
They will be minus for babbling trashing when they aren't.
I spent over 60 years looking for them and they are where you find them, pleasure or competition. I have more fingers than what I have hunted with in my life.

Re: Outstanding Hounds, Pleasure or Competition

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Originally posted by Kler Kry
I agree with Cory. I'm not a competition hunter but have competition hunted. My Penney won the Grandmasters in 2015. The reason that I competition hunted was to locate a better dog than Penney to breed her too and not to win. The winning was bitter sweet because I never located a better dog while competition hunting.
There never has been very many truly outstanding dogs in pleasure or competition hunting. My definition of an outstanding dog is a first and first because of ability and does not have to be a loner to be first because they are always in the lead.
The real mark of an outstanding hound is that they are consistent and are not affected by where you hunt them or what the weather is!
They might not look outstanding on a given track, but they will still be better than what they are hunting with.
They will be minus for babbling trashing when they aren't.
I spent over 60 years looking for them and they are where you find them, pleasure or competition. I have more fingers than what I have hunted with in my life.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
When it gets to where 2 or 3 of the dogs in a cast tree coons all by themselves, then you have to have a dog that also gets first strike every time and doesnt fool with a den tree. Is that a coon dog?

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KlerKry

Ken, I know that you know what a real coondog is, Penny sure fits that definition. I too know what a real coondog is and just like you I can count on my fingers the real coon dogs I have seen and hunted with and have several fingers left. The higher your standards the fewer coon dogs one will see in their lifetime, but owning and hunting a real coon dog is something you never forget. Lots of dogs tree coons but very few ever really own the title of COONDOG. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Ken, I know that you know what a real coondog is, Penny sure fits that definition. I too know what a real coondog is and just like you I can count on my fingers the real coon dogs I have seen and hunted with and have several fingers left. The higher your standards the fewer coon dogs one will see in their lifetime, but owning and hunting a real coon dog is something you never forget. Lots of dogs tree coons but very few ever really own the title of COONDOG. Dave

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Eric DePue

Unfortunately, that is the case, I just buried a coondawg, only one of 3 that I have ever owned. Now, I have owned and hunted a bunch of decent coon dogs, but they were lacking that special something that defined them as coondawg. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Unfortunately, that is the case, I just buried a coondawg, only one of 3 that I have ever owned. Now, I have owned and hunted a bunch of decent coon dogs, but they were lacking that special something that defined them as coondawg. Dave

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