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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-05-2019 12:21 AM:

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on corn whisky again. lol

Iced tea and pecan brownies do it to him everytime!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 12:40 AM:

Lack of sleep, I was up all night birthing puppies.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-05-2019 12:43 AM:

How many did she have? Looked huge!

Posted by novicane65 on 08-05-2019 12:45 AM:

Well I don't get the logic of why you'd come in at 3rd strike. 3rd strike was used to get a split of 75 for all 3 dogs. Only position not being held is 4th strike for 25.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 12:48 AM:

Ten big monsters, I must have fed her too good. I have never seen such fat newborns. Maybe I shouldn't have wormed her twice. She went into labor at 12 midnight Fri night, had the first pup at 10 am Sat morning and the last pup at 4 am this morning. Three of them didn't make it out alive.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 08-05-2019 12:53 AM:

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Originally posted by tpettit
Looking for more replies. This happened last night in a hunt, not my cast. The moh told the cast that 50 was the next available position to be filled. And most everyone in the club agreed with him, i did not! Lol. Let's here what you all think. It's pretty cut and dry to me.

More concerned with this MOH logic.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 12:58 AM:

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Originally posted by novicane65
Well I don't get the logic of why you'd come in at 3rd strike. 3rd strike was used to get a split of 75 for all 3 dogs. Only position not being held is 4th strike for 25.

Simple logic really, Dog C had 75 points. Third strike is 50 points so dog C couldn't have been carrying third strike. Doesn't that make sense?

Posted by shadinc on 08-05-2019 02:23 AM:

Richard, try again after you get some sleep.

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Posted by tpettit on 08-05-2019 03:10 AM:

His reasoning was that the dog still running was holding 75 and the next available was 50. I give them my thoughts after he ruled, that on one set of strike points, 1,2.and 3 strike had already been taken. 25 was all that was left.

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Posted by Rip on 08-05-2019 04:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Simple logic really, Dog C had 75 points. Third strike is 50 points so dog C couldn't have been carrying third strike. Doesn't that make sense?

Richard, in order to split strike all strike positions are added together then divided by the number of dogs so 3rd strike is still taken until that other dog is scored because he still has part of those 3rd strike points that were divided among them. He doesn't have second strike he has a combination of 1,2, and 3rd.

25 is next available.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 04:10 AM:

Y'all keep saying that third strike was "taken". Now that is true but when dogs are scored the strike becomes available again. I really don't understand why y'all can't see that since Dog C was holding 75, 50 strike was opened back up. It is simple logic.
Just like everyone knows that the egg came first or there would be no chicken.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 04:16 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Richard, in order to split strike all strike positions are added together then divided by the number of dogs so 3rd strike is still taken until that other dog is scored because he still has part of those 3rd strike points that were divided among them. He doesn't have second strike he has a combination of 1,2, and 3rd.
25 is next available.

All of third strike is split and taken, but when A and B are scored, their share of third strike is opened back up. It sounds to me like you are argueing my side.

Posted by Rip on 08-05-2019 04:17 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Y'all keep saying that third strike was "taken". Now that is true but when dogs are scored the strike becomes available again. I really don't understand why y'all can't see that since Dog C was holding 75, 50 strike was opened back up. It is simple logic.
Just like everyone knows that the egg came first or there would be no chicken.

Well I see from a previous post that you likely understand that the 75 points you are talking about is made up of 3rd strike points as well so 3rd strike is taken.

But to make it more plain for you, because the Advisor says so LOL. They have covered this before and they are plain as day when they say 4th strike is all that's open.

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 08-05-2019 04:36 AM:

Well I'm gonna weigh in on something non of you have touched on and why I thin 50 points is the right call. Having said that I don't necessarily agree with the supposed explanation of the MOH.

Here is what (I) think everyone is overlooking. The very first sentence of the original post states that this is a 3 dog cast.

With a three dog cast, there is no such thing as 4th strike. The least you can strike in for in a 3 dog cast is 50 points.

So when the first 3 positions were used on a spllt strike, 50 points becomes the lowest strike position available in a 3 dog cast. If this were a 4 dog cast, then a 4th strike (25) position would have been available but I don't believe it is availabe in a 3 dog cast.

So with that the MOH was correct in awarding the dog with the next available position of 50 points.

JMO-And I could be wrong, but give that some thought and see what you think.

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Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 08-05-2019 06:23 AM:

NO 2

Ya all seem to be missing one thing--I believe o'Richard knows how this should be scored correctly and that's 25 strike points==but he is trying to get to be the no.1 poster so he's finds he can add numbers to his post total. He is in the number 2 position on all time post as of now. He's havin fun playing with ya all---LOL

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Posted by blueticker on 08-05-2019 08:59 AM:

MOH is wrong more often than anyone likes to admit. It may be who is asking the question on how they determine the answer. Oh yea, the old Buddy System may supersede knowledge. It seems like the MOH needs to stay quiet and not allow everyone to see how ignorant they are. Like a field representative ruling to minus a tree because a leashed hound didnt continue to bark every two minutes. If your a long ways from home your going to be wrong pretty often. Take that bit of information to the bank.

3 positions used- 25 next available. Cant get much easier but some have a difficult time figuring out that 4 - 3 = 1.

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Posted by groworg1 on 08-05-2019 12:19 PM:

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
Well I'm gonna weigh in on something non of you have touched on and why I thin 50 points is the right call. Having said that I don't necessarily agree with the supposed explanation of the MOH.

Here is what (I) think everyone is overlooking. The very first sentence of the original post states that this is a 3 dog cast.

With a three dog cast, there is no such thing as 4th strike. The least you can strike in for in a 3 dog cast is 50 points.

So when the first 3 positions were used on a spllt strike, 50 points becomes the lowest strike position available in a 3 dog cast. If this were a 4 dog cast, then a 4th strike (25) position would have been available but I don't believe it is availabe in a 3 dog cast.

So with that the MOH was correct in awarding the dog with the next available position of 50 points.

JMO-And I could be wrong, but give that some thought and see what you think.

the only time strike points start over is when all dogs are competing for strike !

Posted by Robert Johnson on 08-05-2019 12:30 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by groworg1
the only time strike points start over is when all dogs are competing for strike !

I can think of a time that all dogs are not competing for strike points and they do start over.

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Posted by groworg1 on 08-05-2019 12:45 PM:

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I can think of a time that all dogs are not competing for strike points and they do start over.

please share

Posted by groworg1 on 08-05-2019 12:54 PM:

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Originally posted by groworg1
please share

i figured it out a dog that never shuts up for a hour funny thing is i and many others still alive that have witnessed a dog i had in 70's run tracks for 3 hours and have the coon more times then not ! making my wallet fat with money

Posted by Allen / UKC on 08-05-2019 01:30 PM:

25.

Posted by yadkinriver on 08-05-2019 01:46 PM:

Dang Richard, looks like today is not your day! might be better off playing with the pups. lol

Posted by Richard Lambert on 08-05-2019 01:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rocketman55
With a three dog cast, there is no such thing as 4th strike. The least you can strike in for in a 3 dog cast is 50 points.
So when the first 3 positions were used on a spllt strike, 50 points becomes the lowest strike position available in a 3 dog cast.

Oh my goodness, talk about thinking outside the box. The Rocketman must have some brain. Let's see y'all argue with that logic.

Posted by Lone Pine JB on 08-05-2019 02:23 PM:

It's not that complicated. Get rid of the idea of it being 75 points. It's 1st, 2nd and 3rd strike combined and divided. If this was one of the other splits like 62 1/2 or 37 1/3 or whatever would this even be questioned.

MOH ruled incorrectly. Maybe all question that MOH rule on should be forwarded to field reps. If MOH get x number wrong, revoke the license or have them retest or something.

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Posted by yadkintar on 08-05-2019 02:34 PM:

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Originally posted by Lone Pine JB
It's not that complicated. Get rid of the idea of it being 75 points. It's 1st, 2nd and 3rd strike combined and divided. If this was one of the other splits like 62 1/2 or 37 1/3 or whatever would this even be questioned.

MOH ruled incorrectly. Maybe all question that MOH rule on should be forwarded to field reps. If MOH get x number wrong, revoke the license or have them retest or something.

This moh thinks they was probly babbling anyways !!!

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