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Had one that all you see on the garmen is a straight line unless he hit a track. Hated him. Couldn't leave the truck bc you never knew where he'd end up, hated to recut for the same reason. Not my type.

Re: All You Deep and Alone Haters!

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
Hey guys I have a confession to make. Last night I went to a $30 $$ hunt with my loner and guess what?! I got beat! two dogs treed a coon about 600 from the truck and mine was in there at 1.3 to her lonesome. The kicker here is that I was treed according to my Garmin way before they were but in the hills it was virtually impossible to hear her with their dogs trailing around so guess what? I couldn't tree her lol You live and you die by it like I always say. I wasn't one bit mad about the way she performed and we got beat! Everything she did she did on her own and couldn't blame anyone else and that's why I want mine by herself 100% of the time!

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Most don't hate the deep and alone when necessary type. What they hate are the run wide open until you ambush one types.

That's the game that's played now along with the first strike it's working the clock to prevail at the end.



Tar

I like hem that trees them as they come. Have hunted the same line of skuana dogs for ten years now they do what is necessary to get the job done don’t have to feed them coons to stay accurate.

Deep and alone is fine. I'll hunt the dog that trees the coon they run past and still be alone.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
That's the game that's played now along with the first strike it's working the clock to prevail at the end.



Tar

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I cut my pot licker last night he made short work of the track, he beat the coon to the tree. I switched him off the tree & he blew up a creek bed struck back in at almost 1000 yards. Got out of hearing & was treed at 1.4 in there. HE WAS DEEP & I WAS LONELY!!! But he was sitting under a coon

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
That is the difference between up there and down here... Much of the time a dog is 800 yards before struck. If a dog is expecting a close coon track you may be out of luck. Near or far they better be willing to tree them wherever they are, and not come back unless asked to. No one hunts these little fence rows and 10-20 acre patches either. I think alot of this deep and alone gets lost in translation between those who have no concept of the true differences in hunting terrain. Deep and alone is much of the time necessity in order to tree real live raccoons.

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If you're not in the deep and alone club. Your giving to much credit to the Trainers for this PROBLEM and not enough to the Breeders.

Our dogs are a results of the hunt rules that determine the winner along with poor breeding of those that win enough to be recognized.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
If you're not in the deep and alone club. Your giving to much credit to the Trainers for this PROBLEM and not enough to the Breeders.

Our dogs are a results of the hunt rules that determine the winner along with poor breeding of those that win enough to be recognized.

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Oh my goodness, my poor lil dog beat Ol' Deep and Alone last night. He was 900 yds and still going at the end and she worked a very cold track and treed a den at 450 yds. Live by the sword and die by the sword.

Last night my dog treed two single less than 300 yards but then took a big circle and treed one .63 thru some rough country. Luckily I could drive around and be within 800 yards were the walking was mostly pasture, not level but better than beating the brush. He is what I like, sure not what most call deep and lonely but will go there if he has to.

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I will say this about this topic. I used to feel the same way Tyler does. I thought any dog that took a 2nd tree needed its a$$ kicked and sent on and most certainly not deserving of winning.

Then about 6 years ago I started hunting real track dogs. Ones that can leaves dogs in the dust and tree ahead on the majority of tracks and not care where the other dogs are. Combine track speed with accuracy and my friends you really have something that can put on a show.

Imagine Tyler's dog and 3 others just like it in a cast. Cast them loose they all scatter 4 directions for the simple fact of not wanting to be near another dog. You have a miserable cast and good luck really proving who has the better dog. These deep and lonely dogs in my opinion are poor track dogs so the owner/trainer has to make up for that by ensuring they will never have to actually compete on a track with another dog.

I will also add that these types of dogs can win and do win all over the country every night. But they are not capable of putting on a coon treeing show. They spend more time running from the competition then actually competing against it.

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I hunted in the OkState Prohunt last night. Never scored 2 dogs on the same tree. Never got more than 800 yards from the cast. Mine treed the only 2 coons seen. Didn’t have to get deep last night!

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
I hunted in the OkState Prohunt last night. Never scored 2 dogs on the same tree. Never got more than 800 yards from the cast. Mine treed the only 2 coons seen. Didn’t have to get deep last night!

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
..... Never got more than 800 yards from the cast.....

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The real question should be why did the dog have to go so deep when the coons are closer here it would mean he's not hunting the woods your in he's just road racing. Why not have a dog that hunts for you instead of a dog you hunt for. Just my opinion

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The one thing back many years ago is people never complained about WALKING while coon hunting. That was how it was done. You would turn your hound loose and you would walk it through this swamp or across this ridge or over this mountain then up this creek. No one complained about walking a dog that wouldn't hunt out over a hundred yards as long as it struck and treed you a coon you walked it over. Now we have dogs that go hunting while we sit on the tailgate or stand in a field and complain about having to go to their tree.

We needed 3 hour hunts to walk our dogs across the coon. Now we can sit and wait on them and they can cover more ground in an hour than we ever did walking them around in 3 hours.

But guess what. They did what we bred them to do and that is go hunting. Then we woke up one day and we had hunting dogs and we found something else to complain about.

People for 50 years have been complaining about how their buddies dogs operate to win a cast. How many have heard about your friends dog that was walking with the cast just out of sight and the dog was walked over a coon and treed it right by the cast and won the hunt.

We don't like it when we walk a dog over a coon and are beat. We don't like it when they go hunting and we get beat. Does anyone like coon hunting anymore.

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Bruce you took the wrong medicine this morning !!! If you think those 3 hr dogs wouldn't go hunting you are all wet buuuuuut they hunted all the woods when they went deep a lot of the dogs now don't. You ever tried to keep up with a dog running down the road in a pickup ? Look how fast they are going on your garmin if they are going that fast in the woods they ain't hunting it just having a foot race to get away from the other dogs.



Tar

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Tar of all the people on here. I just knew you would NOT understand. LOL

30, 40 or 50 years ago coon hunting meant a long walk. Didn't matter if a coon was treed or not. YOU WALKED.
Today, I walk when the dog is treed.

Dog goes hunting and then you try to figure out how many coon it went by. In the old days if you saw a coon up and the dog you were walking through the woods couldn't smell or find it. You just eased over to the tree and shot it out. Then the dog would get excited. That was called coon hunting.

Today it is about the total ability a dog has. I am not saying there are not a lot out there and shouldn't be culled. I am saying the "Proof is in the Pudding" when there is a coon in the tree. Anything less and the gun should be loaded and not because you found another coon to shoot out to a worthless dog.

Tar you may be correct about something. I think I double dosed on my B-12.

By the way Tar. I agree running the roads is a fault. It should be corrected but it isn't. Who is to blame. The dog or owner? If you don't like the way your dog hunts. FIX IT. But don't worry about the other guys dog. Unless you're always getting beat about it and don't know how to fix that other than cry and cry and cry.

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Bruce because of the rules in place you will get beat by a babble blow deep dog plus you need three times as much ground to hunt on how many people have a mile to hunt and now there are dogs that cover that in 15 minutes. They ain't hunting it !! Back in the day we hunted half way through the hunt in one direction and hunted back to the truck on the other side of the creek or river. Treeing coons all the way. And those dogs hunted never in site the whole woods.



Tar