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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:11 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mike McCool
also look at all the extra money from those entrys in zones

If there was a percentage taken from local hunts say .50$ per dog entered to put towards the world hunt it would be much greater than what’s made at the zones

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:16 AM:

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Originally posted by JAH
Why do people always want to change something that isn't broke? Sounds like some of you might work for the government. Thats what to do fix stuff thats not broke.

If you don’t think something is wrong you have missed something. I’m a youngin compared to some and there are very few younger than me that hunt local but even i can tell a difference since I started doing this in 07. I’m positive the people who have hunted UKC since 97 can tell a much bigger difference than I can.

There is a problem weather you wanna blame it on the economy, the fussing at hunts, the location of event being held, loss of land, price per entry, dogs not what they used to be, other kc’s there is still a problem.

I hear the stories of back in my day a local hunt had 70 to 100 dogs. Hell setwd only had 93 on Friday so how do you not see that as a problem? Our local hunts have 4-8 dogs show up how is that not a problem?

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 04:41 AM:

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Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
Our local hunts have 4-8 dogs show up how is that not a problem?

That is why the RQE have a different atmosphere. You should not be able to qualify at hunts that 4 to 8 dogs on the average.

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 04:44 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
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I hear the stories of back in my day a local hunt had 70 to 100 dogs.

Numbers are club faults tell them to go back to hunting 3 hunts a year like back in the day and only have clubs that can supply enough guides for 50 dogs. You will start seeing those number climb drastically. Back in the day you drove 3 to 4hrs one way to go to a hunt.

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Posted by Mike Mckinney on 02-27-2019 04:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
That is why the RQE have a different atmosphere. You should not be able to qualify at hunts that 4 to 8 dogs on the average.

Omer I agree. Now to say you had to hunt 5 club hunts before you could hunt RQE is more of a realistic thought. But leave it alone I like the RQE like it is.

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 05:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
That is why the RQE have a different atmosphere. You should not be able to qualify at hunts that 4 to 8 dogs on the average.

I understand what you just said perfectly and I agree you shouldn’t be able to qualify with a low number of dogs to compete against but at a rqe don’t you just have to beat the 3 dogs in your cast to advance?
In the situation in my original post it would require you to win 8-10 casts therefore making it more difficult to advance to the world hunt rather than just winning a cast at a rqe. So wouldn’t that make the atmosphere better than a rqe?

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Posted by JiM on 02-27-2019 10:23 AM:

Re: We got to talking. Here’s something to ponder

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Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
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'Something to ponder?"
Good grief bud, you make 11 posts telling us you got it and we don't. Ok, then what are we suppose to ponder?

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-27-2019 11:57 AM:

Down here is a different story than up north ruff terrain and lower density of coons throw in a bad night it don't matter how good of dog you got. But it's not my game anymore it's the young folks they are paying the bills.

I am trying to break my mold and be current , hip , and groovy lol.

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 02:07 PM:

Re: Re: We got to talking. Here’s something to ponder

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Originally posted by JiM
'Something to ponder?"
Good grief bud, you make 11 posts telling us you got it and we don't. Ok, then what are we suppose to ponder?

Mr. Sizemore, I apologize that I answered posts individually. I was trying to have a discussion and per you maybe I should have titled it “something to ponder & discuss”....

And no I never said I got it you y’all don’t. I’m Trying to have a discussion so I’m asking questions about each answer, reply, post in hope to develop a dialogue and move things forward. If that doesn’t sit well I’m sorry

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Posted by pamjohnson on 02-27-2019 02:28 PM:

I like your thinking Marshall . If we loose the small clubs all is lost anyway. That would get fellows to help the small clubs instead of just looking for a chance to make the big win and not really support the clubs. Some fellows won't like this idea because the only thing they want to do is have a chance at the world title not support the clubs.

Posted by Dogwhisper on 02-27-2019 03:04 PM:

Requireing winning 8-10 cast in a calendar year to go straight to the WH will make your dog a nite champion or Grnitech2x under the new format.
How are registered dogs supposed to participate in the WH ?

Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 03:26 PM:

UKC World Title

Here is something to think about and ponder.

UKC is still the World Premiere Title they just added a $10,000 1st place prize to this Title first time ever for 2019. They just improved this Premiere Title with the Prestige that goes along with winning it. There are other Kennel Club World Titles with larger $ purses that do not hold the Prestige nationally as the UKC World does. Why is that? In UKC you have pacific hunts RQE's you can Qualify not just any ole regular hunt. Not everyone is supposed to qualify otherwise the Prestige of the title would be gone. The format is working and was just improved with a payout. So why change the whole format?? UKC did not change the policies for the World hunt they just improved the awards. As the policies for the Prestige Premiere UKC World Title are working.
UKC did change the policies for titling dogs and policies for regular hunts because they were not working for local clubs. Hoping to increase entries and letting clubs have more options to stay profitable or break even through out the year.
There is absolutely no reason to change the format to qualify for the UKC World Hunt. The Prestige is there and the format is working, otherwise it wouldn't be the Prestige title in the coonhound World!!!!

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 03:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS

In the situation in my original post it would require you to win 8-10 casts therefore making it more difficult to advance to the world hunt rather than just winning a cast at a rqe. So wouldn’t that make the atmosphere better than a rqe?

No it wouldn't. it would just be a regular hunt that they might just be competing against themselves....

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by berger
No it wouldn't. it would just be a regular hunt that they might just be competing against themselves....

So are you saying a rqe is harder to win you cast because a registered dog might have to hunt against a grand nite? Or because a dog may pick up a cast win by hunting alone without competition

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Requireing winning 8-10 cast in a calendar year to go straight to the WH will make your dog a nite champion or Grnitech2x under the new format.
How are registered dogs supposed to participate in the WH ?

This is not perfect but it would eliminate registered dogs in the WH. not saying they do not deserve to be there because there are plenty that do but if a registered dog wins 8-10 casts in a year it would be a nitech and in the WH.

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 04:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
So are you saying a rqe is harder to win you cast because a registered dog might have to hunt against a grand nite? Or because a dog may pick up a cast win by hunting alone without competition

Has nothing to do with a registered dog hunting against a gr nt. RQE's have a lot more dogs from a larger area which usually means the local boys are split up and is not as easy for the buddy system. There is just a different level of competition at the RQE's.
This the same thing for a pro hunt or open hunt in the other $hunts just a different level of competition.

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 04:10 PM:

Re: UKC World Title

quote:
Originally posted by berger
Here is something to think about and ponder.

UKC is still the World Premiere Title they just added a $10,000 1st place prize to this Title first time ever for 2019. They just improved this Premiere Title with the Prestige that goes along with winning it. There are other Kennel Club World Titles with larger $ purses that do not hold the Prestige nationally as the UKC World does. Why is that? In UKC you have pacific hunts RQE's you can Qualify not just any ole regular hunt. Not everyone is supposed to qualify otherwise the Prestige of the title would be gone. The format is working and was just improved with a payout. So why change the whole format?? UKC did not change the policies for the World hunt they just improved the awards. As the policies for the Prestige Premiere UKC World Title are working.
UKC did change the policies for titling dogs and policies for regular hunts because they were not working for local clubs. Hoping to increase entries and letting clubs have more options to stay profitable or break even through out the year.
There is absolutely no reason to change the format to qualify for the UKC World Hunt. The Prestige is there and the format is working, otherwise it wouldn't be the Prestige title in the coonhound World!!!!

I agree with you the world hunt format is not broken. I absolutely don’t disagree with that. My idea wasn’t to help the world hunt. It’s to help the local clubs.

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Posted by berger on 02-27-2019 04:13 PM:

Re: Re: UKC World Title

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Originally posted by MARSHALL AYERS
I agree with you the world hunt format is not broken. I absolutely don’t disagree with that. My idea wasn’t to help the world hunt. It’s to help the local clubs.

You try and fix what is broken, not ruin what is working.

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 02-27-2019 04:26 PM:

Does anyone know why there's a 104+- dog cap at the world hunt finals?

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 05:16 PM:

Re: Re: Re: UKC World Title

quote:
Originally posted by berger
You try and fix what is broken, not ruin what is working.

You really don’t think there is a problem at the local level?

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Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 02-27-2019 05:19 PM:

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
Does anyone know why there's a 104+- dog cap at the world hunt finals?

Because it would be almost impossible to hunt 700+ dogs in a single location. You have the zones to widdle down the 750 to a manageable number the the WH host club can handle.

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Posted by Mike McCool on 02-27-2019 05:24 PM:

I agree dogs from local clubs should not advance straight to the world hunt but each club sending 1 dog to zones should be like taking candy from a baby right. lets look at the numbers approx 500 dogs entered zones in 2018 add in another approx 200 dogs from the local clubs.it should increase club participation and adds to the world hunt not take away from it all the rumors we get to here about how these guys are cheating to get enough points in the rqes to get in anyway lol

Posted by K. Singletary on 02-27-2019 05:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by pamjohnson
I like your thinking Marshall . If we loose the small clubs all is lost anyway. That would get fellows to help the small clubs instead of just looking for a chance to make the big win and not really support the clubs. Some fellows won't like this idea because the only thing they want to do is have a chance at the world title not support the clubs.

Well, the opportunity is there now for more clubs to host RQE's. I just hunted one 2 weeks ago and after the cast the losers were trying to figure out where the next one was. Come to find out there is only 1 more scheduled for SC this year. All us losers were hoping for more.

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Posted by Lovis Burns on 02-28-2019 01:20 PM:

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Well, the opportunity is there now for more clubs to host RQE's. I just hunted one 2 weeks ago and after the cast the losers were trying to figure out where the next one was. Come to find out there is only 1 more scheduled for SC this year. All us losers were hoping for more.

I'm surprised that there isn't more RQE's in SC. There use to be several.

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Posted by K. Singletary on 02-28-2019 09:20 PM:

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I'm surprised that there isn't more RQE's in SC. There use to be several.

Low attendance and clubs quit having them. Both I've been to this year were 30+ dogs even with the world hunt being so far from us. That $10,000 has created a buzz around the RQE's.

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