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Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2019 01:31 PM:

I only tried it once to the sire of my once in a lifetime dog. The whole litter was worthless and it cost me a ton of money.

Tar

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 01-12-2019 01:42 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I only tried it once to the sire of my once in a lifetime dog. The whole litter was worthless and it cost me a ton of money.

Tar

What is the dollar amount of one ton of money?

Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2019 01:49 PM:

A week at the vet purchase the seman $1,100

Raised till 2 yrs old $3000.

25 cents worth of 22 shells.

How's that.

Tar

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-12-2019 02:08 PM:

Out of 25 year old semen, we like him allot

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-12-2019 02:10 PM:

$4,100.50 weighs a ton? It must have been all pennies.

I just bred a female to some old semen. It cost $2,000 for 2 straws, $200 for shipping, $500 for AI and boarding, $100 for gas. I didn't get any pups so I guess that I saved the money for the .22 shells.

Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2019 02:13 PM:

Conrad mine was out of grntch yadkin tar chief direct son of rattler it was a grandfather X grandaughter cross she reproduced on everything else but him they were worthless!!

Tar

Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2019 02:16 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
$4,100.50 weighs a ton? It must have been all pennies.

Raise 5 pups and hunt them till 2 yrs old see what it cost you unless you feed that Tennessee ole bow wow dog food and not much of it.

Tarbaby

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-12-2019 02:19 PM:

Tar, Should have bred him to a Lipper bitch

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Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2019 02:26 PM:

Female I am hunting now is out of above female rattler 4 times lipper 5 times out of a direct son of bad habit lol. Going to a stud ( live breeding lol ) that has rattler 3 times lipper 4 times.

It ain't like it ain't already there lol.

Tar

Posted by Travis Brown on 01-12-2019 05:57 PM:

I have raised three AI litters and hunted pups out of all three of those litters. I think the pups are as good as the ones from a natural breeding but the litters I raised were from dogs that were good reproducers when they were alive.

In my opinion over 90% of the dogs being collected are not good enough producers to be freezing semen on. There are really only a handful of males from each decade that are good enough producers to freeze semen from. Maybe only 1 or 2 per decade. Most of the semen in storage should be thrown away.

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Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-12-2019 06:02 PM:

From frozen semen, You still get some good ones, some bad ones and some in between.
I like that i can go back and get some traits that i want, and breed an older style dog.
And yes their is a difference, in their build and actions in some of these dogs. Some bad some good.
Frozen semen to me is like having a library of traits for me to use in breeding...

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Posted by V. Cannon on 01-12-2019 06:13 PM:

Old semen isn’t as big of a problem as semen from some old dogs.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 01-12-2019 06:15 PM:

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Originally posted by Travis Brown
In my opinion over 90% of the dogs being collected are not good enough producers to be freezing semen on. There are really only a handful of males from each decade that are good enough producers to freeze semen from. Maybe only 1 or 2 per decade. Most of the semen in storage should be thrown away.

What percentage or number of studs today should be used for live breeding?

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 01-12-2019 09:14 PM:

That's a good question Richard!

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Posted by Travis Brown on 01-12-2019 11:32 PM:

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
What percentage or number of studs today should be used for live breeding?

Few I'm sure but that question will be a lot easier to answer ten years from now.

Posted by D Brothers on 01-13-2019 01:19 AM:

I am hunting the 4th generation of frozen semen dogs, and yes they produce and are in the Winners Circle.I have had this stock of dogs for 29 yrs.

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