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Originally posted by groworg1
i'm not allen but here is how it should be handled call time out minus dogs you have one hour to get your dog and return predesignated spot or be scratched for delaying cast

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Originally posted by groworg1
i'm not allen but here is how it should be handled call time out minus dogs you have one hour to get your dog and return predesignated spot or be scratched for delaying cast

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It is a bit confusing. 4e seems to state you can call dogs in and take minus strike points but it's not one of the options in rule 7.

I dont think it's that complicated, minus them catch them then call time out, then you are incompliance with all rules. Now than I have been on cast were they minus the hounds and called time right then, but I don't think the rules support doin this. Again it's not what you have done but what you can do in accordance with the rules.

Why is this so hard? If the cast are wanting to call timeout minus all dogs at large and catch dogs. If all don't agree to call timeout you continue running the time on dogs at large.

Oh my goodness, now you are arguing with Allen/UKC.

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Oh my goodness, now you are arguing with Allen/UKC.

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
nope read the post he posted twice before asking him when should the clock be stopped, I understand that yes you minus the strike points in accordance with 4e just like he said, if you read were he said when the clock should stop please share, or please enlighten us with some rule in the book or on the score card. If you don't have a score card on hand I took the time to type all of rule 7 up on here. Haven't been enlightened today so I'm looking forward to it 😊 thanks. Remember rulers help put disagreement to rest mouth just adds to confusion.

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Only reason I can think up is if they are close enough to catch easy and fast. I'm not saying I'm right about it I'm open to hear how you can do it, but it has to be backed up with a rule unless Allen says you can. Then I will screen shot it and have it when it comes up.

The hunt time will stop as soon as it’s agreed upon to call timeout.

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
Only reason I can think up is if they are close enough to catch easy and fast. I'm not saying I'm right about it I'm open to hear how you can do it, but it has to be backed up with a rule unless Allen says you can. Then I will screen shot it and have it when it comes up.

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Seems to me if you minus without calling timeout immediatly your opening the door for other scenarios. Without timeout being called immediatly any dog that opens 3 times should be struck back. A dog could set down an tree then must be scored before time can be called. All your doing is burning up the clock.

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Originally posted by johnny reb
The hunt time will stop as soon as it’s agreed upon to call timeout.

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
and once again under what rule are you going to call this time out?

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Originally posted by JiM
You use rule 7. There are 5 listed situations that allow you to call timeout, they are rules 7(a-e). Pick the one that best suits your situation and that is your excuse to call time. If just two handlers decide it isn't appropriate to call time in your situation, they vote "no " and time cannot be called.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
[B]that rule you are talking about is under scratching offenses rule 6 f for delaying completion of cast for one hour after time out is called during the hunt in accordance with rule 7


Rule 7

judge or majority of cast if hunting judge is used may call time out in accordance with the following:

a: when dogs are getting on highway, trail onto posted land or trail into a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters

b: if dogs get with another group of dogs


c: when all dogs are on leash and have been scored


d: in case of accident or sickness


e:when dogs are trailing out of hearing in different directions


f: if all dogs are declared treed or are on leash time out shall be called after 10 min. of hunt time has been used walking to each split tree. time is back in during shining time or if dog leaves

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
6 or em a-f and they are typed out on here and none fit this situation best I can tell. Which one you think fits?

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rule 7 g -just cause the cast wants to. lol

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
rule 7 g -just cause the cast wants to. lol

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Originally posted by shadinc
Good point. There is no provision in the rules for calling time out just because you want to.

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I get the point your trying to make. At one time the one part of the time out rule said something like if new ground was needed and it was gonna take more then 15 walking or you moved in a vehicle...call time. That rule is not there anymore and seems to been replaced by the one saying "when all dogs are on leash and have been scored". So 4e does allow you to call the dogs in and take minus strike it is a little vague on when to stopthe clock. I see no problem with minusing them and calling time just like it's always been but that's not what 7 c says.

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Originally posted by nextcoonhunters
be careful some will say " now you are arguing with Allen/UKC." You are probably like me and just want to make the right and fair call, not just for the cast your on but for the hunt. Knowing that not only does a call right or wrong effect your cast but the whole hunt out come. How many people would be mad at the end of the night if you won your cast but lost the hunt because that cast allowed something that is not in the UKC rules? Some people seem to be getting upset my guess would be because they have called this kind of time out and now can't back it up with a rule. The problem I see with saying that's how it's always been done with no rule to back it up, is not all cast are playing the same. Was on a cast one night and time winding down, no plus points guy says well someone is going to win. we'll flip a coin that's the way we have always done it. Another time, around here if dogs are on the lead we just walk the last 20 or 30 mins out. Hmmm I can show you plainly in the rules were this is not allowed, but sometimes it's not black and white, maybe the time out thing is addressed in an old post or coonhound adviser but we need something to go by.

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I would say in 99% of the time that you are wanting to call timeout with dogs at large, and are willing to take that minus when you get the dogs gathered up you are going to relocate to another spot to finish the hunt.

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Originally posted by johnny reb
I would say in 99% of the time that you are wanting to call timeout with dogs at large, and are willing to take that minus when you get the dogs gathered up you are going to relocate to another spot to finish the hunt.

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Alan

I was hoping maybe Alan could take a moment and clear up when in this situation you call time? I know he said their points are minused but ld still like to know when the clock is suppose to stop. Thanks