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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Wow, this is hard to believe.

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Originally posted by pigsit
OK, I agree, but I'm old school, I still write down the time the hunt starts and ends and any time outs, that way if there is a question I have it in B/w. I also enter the time used.

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I know Jim and I have known and I don't throw out a card if it's not filled out buuuuuuuut you and me were taught to fill out the scorecard like a professional that was an important part of judging a cast and I can't help it this and other things that I can't change and that really are none of my bees wax anymore just bother me a little bit. But you are right .......... Again.




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theres Guys out there hunting 3 hrs and more nothing has changed been going on long time so whats it matter anymore anyways ..... it goes on and you cant stop it unless youre in the cast . If youre hunting 2 and there huntin 3 youre getting the SHAFT !! every cast is thats adhering to the 2 hr hunt time

OK, you convinced me, from now on it will just say 120 minutes used.

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Originally posted by Toad Hill
....theres Guys out there hunting 3 hrs and more nothing has changed been going on long time ......

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13. SCORECARDS
(a) Scorecards must be completed in the woods,
and no changes can be made later except
where a question arises and is noted in the
woods.
(b) Handler’s signature verifies hunting time and
scores are correct. Any protest relative to time
or scores should be noted with a question mark.
(c) Any handler failing to sign the scorecard in
the woods may have the opportunity to sign
upon returning the scorecard to, and in view
of, the MOH/HD.
(d) All scorecards must be made available after
the deadline to return scorecards or when all
scorecards are in possession of the MOH/HD

the box is for notes

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Originally posted by JiM
I saw multiple instances of long time MOH's getting this one wrong 3 years after the rule change so nothing surprises me.

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Originally posted by Autumn Clements
I got warned that my whole cast could have been scratched at a big hunt after this rule changed because I didn’t put the time in the box

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Just goes to show us that moh's don't know it all.
So it's best to "know the rules"....

Statement: The amount of hunt time used MUST be noted in the "note keeping box" (top center of scorecard) on the scorecard. Otherwise, the whole cast is scratched.

Example: In a two-hour hunt, must be noted as 2 hrs. or 120 min. In 90-min hunts it must be noted as 1.5 hrs. or 90-min.

Answer: FALSE! Noting 120 minutes ANYWHERE on the scorecard, or whatever the hunt time period was, is not required.

Rule 13: SCORECARDS
(b) Handler’s signature verifies hunting time and
scores are correct. Any protest relative to time
or scores should be noted with a question mark.

It's likely that a good number of young hunters today don't realize what time keeping on a scorecard entailed for many years. The following article was written in the Advisor Column after the time-in and time-out blocks died on December 31, 2004.


Coonhound Bloodlines Advisor Column
December 2004

Time-Keeping Changes Explained
Wow, was this rule change ever a challenge. I don’t mind saying we fretted and stewed over this one for a while because it required re-designing the front of the scorecard. The challenge was to provide for those who wished to use countdown timers, while at the same time accommodate traditional time keepers and, in the end, make sure nobody got scratched for a time-keeping technicality. Sounds easy, but every avenue seemed to produce a concern in one area or another.

The rule change proposal wording that passed the breed association voting stated, “Remove the time in and time out blocks and make a section for verifying that 120 minutes of hunting time has been used and allow the use of count down timers to ensure proper time is kept.” My plea for suggestions on how to accomplish this brought many thoughtful ideas from the cyber coon hunting community who gave it thought and I thank them for it.

The first thing we had to do was remove the sentence from Rule 1 that stated that hunting time must be accurately recorded so the MOH can determine hunting time. That statement is no longer true. Hunting time does not need to be recorded at all.

The next thing I got hung up on was the term “verifying.” Initially I was thinking that a time verification would mean that initials or a signature would be required. Would that be in addition to or in place of the standard practice of signing in the total score column? In the end, it was thought that it might end up being a technicality that could get a cast scratched which is one of the things we were trying to avoid.

One of the suggestions that we had was to simply remove the time in and time out boxes, but leave the time hunted box. In doing so, casts keeping time by the standard method would have a way of keeping track of how much time they had used. Problem is, casts are to be scratched for hunting over or under the advertised hunting time, and though it was less of a risk that a mistake could be made, it was still very possible that some casts would be scratched for math errors.

Then it was suggested that a minutes remaining system be designed in that space. Such a system would accommodate standard timekeepers and countdown timekeepers. I kind of liked that idea, but it would have been interpreted by Masters of Hounds around the country as something that had to be filled out or, again, casts would be scratched. When you think about the true essence of why this rule was changed, you simply can’t have formalities that will end up getting a cast scratched.

A diagram of what we came up with accompanies this column. I like it. It has the verification statement, but at the same time, does not require additional signatures, nor signatures in any particular location. It’s absolutely no change as far as signatures go. You must sign the scorecard, somewhere, or you will be scratched. It’s always been that way. The only addition is the formal statement that your signature is a testament to the fact that the time and scores are correct. It may be signed with the right protest.

To make room for the notes space, the UKC logo was moved from the left to the right hand side of the scorecard. Also, the judge and cast number lines were shortened and moved side by side. The time out, time in and minutes used boxes were completely removed. The result is a workspace that has a lot of room for notes of any kind that will assist the judging of the cast. Keep in mind these are simply notes. Anything written in this box is not to be considered an accurate reflection of hunting time by licensed officials. In other words, do not scratch a cast if hunting time in the notes box does not add up to the advertised hunting time. This is an unofficial workspace only.

Some casts will elect to put time in and time outs in that space like they always have. Some will only keep track of minutes used. By placing the minutes used in columns, they will have a format that is very easy to add. Some may very well keep track of minutes remaining. Countdown timekeepers may not have anything written in the notes space. All are acceptable ways of keeping time with the advent of the new rule change. The new design will appear on all scorecards after January 1, 2005.

Oh my goodness!!!!

Notes

That box is for notes. I voted wrong. I remember the rule change now, but ever since that change I still put 120 minutes used, just in case some hunter or master of hounds wasn't quite up to date, wanted to prevent a bunch of discussion at the club house. 2004 wow, it's been that long. I would have thought 5 years ago at most.

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Having scratched one for writing the time down wrong; I see where it would keep problems down. Sadly, the guy I scratched had enough points to win before his last turnout which produced 2 additional coons. You can't imagine the headaches that deal caused.

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Advisor 2nd edition
Rule 13 Chapter. incomplete vs not considered incomplete

These situations render a scorecard incomplete/scratch scorecard if:
time hunted is not referenced in note keeping box

Advisor?

Are these free? If not why the heck would it even come into play? Is it given out, where can I get them.

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Originally posted by SugarCreekBlues
Advisor 2nd edition
Rule 13 Chapter. incomplete vs not considered incomplete

These situations render a scorecard incomplete/scratch scorecard if:
time hunted is not referenced in note keeping box

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Fake News... That just goes to show that you can't believe everything that you read on the interweb.

Rules are changed and updated from time to time. As with anything in life, you have to keep up. I know that it is hard and can be confusing but it can be done if you try. Just look at Jim. Watching and reading what is said on this interweb is one way to keep up. You just have to sift through all of the fake news and opinions. I mostly just pay attention to what Jim and Allen post. (and some of what Joey says)

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Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Fake News... That just goes to show that you can't believe everything that you read on the interweb.

Rules are changed and updated from time to time. As with anything in life, you have to keep up. I know that it is hard and can be confusing but it can be done if you try. Just look at Jim. Watching and reading what is said on this interweb is one way to keep up. You just have to sift through all of the fake news and opinions. I mostly just pay attention to what Jim and Allen post. (and some of what Joey says)

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I have always thought John D was next to Allen on rules but he hardly ever posts anymore.and then Rip and Joey next.

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Originally posted by JiM
I have always thought John D was next to Allen on rules but he hardly ever posts anymore.and then Rip and Joey next.

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Not trying to spread fake news, just asking. Allen referenced a 2004 bloodlines advisor ruling. The copyright date on the advisor 2nd edition is 2010. So which one are you suppose to go by ?

Lol.

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Originally posted by SugarCreekBlues
Not trying to spread fake news, just asking. Allen referenced a 2004 bloodlines advisor ruling. The copyright date on the advisor 2nd edition is 2010. So which one are you suppose to go by ?

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
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Rule 13: SCORECARDS
(b) Handler’s signature verifies hunting time and scores are correct......

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Richard

So with verifying the time, it means it’s written down. And don’t be a smartass. In one book it says you don’t, another says you do and the rules say verify. But if your just gonna be an ******* don’t reply.

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