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Seems like every thread has a change the rules quote?

Seems like every thread has a change the rules quote?

I really enjoy your posts Bruce. True dog men are hard to fine then getting people to listen is something else. I have had the enjoyment of hunting the same line of dogs for 27 years. I think you don't know where your going untill you know where you have been. I don't know if I could hunt anything but a dog with buck creek in it. I sure just want a dog that has coon treeing on there mines fifty feet or two miles I don't care just there whole being is going to tree a coon. If a dog won't compete against another dog then he is lacking in desire to tree coons. Don't get me wrong I love for mine to split tree but I want it as being a leader. Dogs of today most of them has been beat shocked and kicked to be by themselves when the pressure is on sooner or later they will break. Ever notice they seem to last for a couple of years and done or they switch hands and done because new owner treats them like a dog and they go back to there natural way.

people found it easier to beat shock and breed dogs that wouldn't compete with another dog for the same coon than to breed a better track dog.
blow in the country and bush an easy coon will win hunts, make it very easy to call the dog, and eliminate the need to run anything but a hot track.
If you can get him to rattle his mouth as hes flying in the country you've realy got a winner.

When was the last time you saw a truly great track dog?
If you wanted to breed to one you sure wouldn't be able to tell it going to the hunts.

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Originally posted by elvis
[B]people found it easier to beat shock and breed dogs that wouldn't compete with .

When was the last time you saw a truly great track dog?

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Bruce, back in the sixty's and seventies, if it was possible we climbed the tree and jumped the coon out to our dogs and had race. People quit doing that because they thought it would make there dog not stay treed in competition hunts. Is this one reason dogs of today are not as good of track dogs as they once we're?. What is everyone's oplnlon on this? I have not seen this done in a long time.

Bruce, back in the sixty's and seventies, if it was possible we climbed the tree and jumped the coon out to our dogs and had race. People quit doing that because they thought it would make there dog not stay treed in competition hunts. Is this one reason dogs of today are not as good of track dogs as they once we're?. What is everyone's oplnlon on this? I have not seen this done in a long time.

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Back in the early 70’s you could not carry a gun at night hunting down in the everglades. We had tree climbing spikes and an aluminun pole that was about 12 foot and extended out to about 18 foot. Had an excellent tree climber in our hunting group and the trees were climbed and the coon poked out. Then I read one day that would ruin the dogs. Guess we had ruined dogs cause we poked them out till they allowed us to carry a gun at night. I think getting a dog looking for a coon to jump out and maybe run off is not good but did it for years because that is what we had to do to get the coon out. Back then it was just fun catching coon.

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Bruce, I remember climbing and shaking the coon out. We could carry a firearm during season. It was crazy but during running season I would climb trees and kick coon out while hunting alone. I was decent at getting coon to climb down. The big differences in the hounds that I hunt are; there not as trashy, not as tough and more independant now. Were i hunt the coon population is much better now. A good hunt back in the 70s would be 3 trees with coon, now more than 7 trees with coon is what I consider a good hunt. When the crops get big coon treeing slows down. More coon assist in keeping young hounds on coon & not junk.

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I love a good track dog that opens on track and runs to catch and mine do catch and they suit me just fine.

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Elvis my way for thinking is if you want a head up track dog that runs a coon like most dogs run a deer. The first thing is there has to be a family of dogs like that to reproduce track dogs like that. Yeah you may find a good track dog but if it don't have the dogs behind it with the same qualities chance are it won't reproduce the same style of dog. Not to ruffle any body up but most people have never hunted with a truly dominate dog night in and night out. The bad part is once you do hard to go back. End up shooting and culling alot.

Oh my goodness Elvis, that is blasphemy.

Competition Dogs

I love a dog that is a true competition dog that has the will and ability to compete one on one and be first and first due to getting to the tree first by having the tracking speed on any kind of track.
Winners who win by only competing against the clock instead of competing against the other dogs are just sore loosers and are the result of a copout by the breeders who do not have the ability to select dogs with superior ability for their breeding stock. Instead have discovered that it is much easier to breed dogs that win with gimmicks that take advantage of the of the loop holes competition rules.
Dogs that refuse to compete should not be called competition dogs. This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it. Ken Risley

Time Has Changed Our Dogs?

I think time has changed our hunters far more than it has changed our dogs.

How many on here hunted when hides were worth something? We didn't feed coon. We shot them, skinned them, and sold the hides.

We never talked about how many yards a dog would go, or accuracy percentages. We just knew that if they didn't have the meat, they weren't doing the job. You couldn't sell hides if the dogs weren't producing them.

We didn't have night hunts during kill season. No one would come, and possibly miss a productive/profitable night of coonhunting.

The decline in hide prices brought about a decline in coonhunting, and a change in the demands and expectations from the dogs.

It used to be that the competition hunts were a sideline to actual coonhunting. It gave us something to do when hunting season wasn't in.

I for one hope the price of hides never increases. We have limited hunting ground around here between logging deer hunters and family farms being divided up. We simoly dont have the ground to support that many coon hunters especially if they kill everything they tree. When i was a kid i tagged along with my dad, uncles ,great uncles and cousins. There was about 10 people in the family that hunted and between all of them some were hunting 7 nights a week. now its just me my uncle and cousin. We never ran out of new ground and never thought twice about killing coons. Now i have 2 good spots big enough to hold 4 dogs for 2 hours with a good coon population. If the hides ever become worth anything like they were ukc will have to give wins for cast winners regardless of score because there wont be any huntable coon left around here.