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Posted by shadinc on 03-14-2018 05:11 PM:

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Originally posted by sleepy head
It would be if u think 25% of competitors getting points is everyone

I did say a step.

Posted by Charles Pullen on 03-14-2018 05:32 PM:

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Originally posted by Surveyor
I voted yes. Not embarrasssed one bit. I think that the dog that wins his cast in tough woods grubbing out a coon or 2 winning his cast is every bit as deserving of a win than the dog that scored on 6 coon off 6 coon feeders. Seems it'd be embarrasing to disagree with that.

Totally Agree , I " used to " have feeders out for a nite hunt whether if it's for me or guiding for someone else . More buckets more coons more chance of a 1st place . Then that dog comes back with a tremendous score . While ole So and So treed one in a cut over and swam the river but had the one and only coon . Then back at the clubhouse all thinks the big score dog is the best , lol .

I think it would help eliminate feeders but don't think it would the club entries . It's a dying sport just face it . Young people not interested as much to many other things now days that we never heard of . Losing places to hunt and deer hunting clubs is the main reason !

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Posted by pamjohnson on 03-14-2018 06:15 PM:

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
Let’s just give everyone 5 participation trophy for showing up and then get your GrNtCh title, suck it up work harder, go to a different club, get a better dog, do what you have to do to get your 5 NtCh wins like So Many Have before you and stop trying to change things to suit you and your dog.

lol are you going back to 3 hr hunts like so many before you? some times things need changed.

Posted by Todd K / UKC on 03-14-2018 06:20 PM:

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
lol are you going back to 3 hr hunts like so many before you? some times things need changed.

Good point.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-14-2018 06:28 PM:

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
lol are you going back to 3 hr hunts like so many before you? some times things need changed.

Lord I hope not, I can’t even do a 2 hour hunt.

Posted by joey on 03-14-2018 06:56 PM:

One more thing it would do is take away the need for a big score and make some folks a little more honest. If you only need to beat the dogs in your cast it completely changes how the game is played. It also does away with the need to drop and move 5 times in a cast.

Or we can change nothing and keep doing what we are doing until we are done.

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Posted by Flat Ridge on 03-14-2018 08:51 PM:

3 hour hunts

change it back to a three hour hunt and I am hiring a handler

Posted by jdgher on 03-14-2018 09:17 PM:

GRNTCH

No. keep it the same. We need to add another level above GRNTCH.
Have all Grand casts. For each GRNT plus point cast win, add a number to the title. So a dog can achieve a title of GRNTCH 10 or GNTCH 20.
To get in this game you'll have to make them a GRNTCH as it is now. Then every cast win with plus points gets you something.

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Posted by Joe Moore on 03-14-2018 09:54 PM:

You think hunt numbers are down now and "nothing for a Grand Nite to do". Wait till you hand out a Ntch win for simply winning your cast with plus points. It would take no time at all to finish a dog out to Grand Nite. Once that is done there wont be near as many dogs in the local hunts because they will all be finished out. Not every hunter out there has the time, money, or desire to get another dog to hunt as soon as the ones they are hunting become finished out. At a local hunt with 2 cast these days there is not way you should want 2 Ntch wins handed out.

Posted by pamjohnson on 03-15-2018 12:20 AM:

maybe to level the playing field we need to just draw all the nt ch dogs out together up to 10 dogs instead of 4 dog casts.

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-15-2018 01:05 AM:

All BS put to the side, I apologize if I offended anyone. I would like to have 2 NtCh Places at the local hunts if we have 5 NtCh cast, I believe it would bring more NtCh dogs, maybe even go with 4 NtCh cast, They do 2 Places at the big or pre entry hunts but don’t pay Performance.

Posted by pamjohnson on 03-15-2018 01:20 AM:

tim at one time i wouldn't have wanted to see things change but they really need to do something.

Posted by yadkintar on 03-15-2018 01:29 AM:

They need to do something for us old folks like buggy hunts or free buffets at all the hunts and senior citizen discounts on entry's and paper work that's it I am going hunting and this all better be straitened out when I get home or else lol.

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Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-15-2018 01:32 AM:

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Originally posted by pamjohnson
tim at one time i wouldn't have wanted to see things change but they really need to do something.

I agree, I don’t think giving a win to a non cast winner will work, It will drain the performance points, it will never be like it was for reason that’s out of our control, but I don’t think (and hate to hear) that it’s a dieing sport, just more options for every one, there’s got be a way, maybe keep the wins like they are but instead of a win slip pay money?

Posted by Brian Gray on 03-15-2018 02:28 AM:

If you think your going to get rich of the money hunts think again been there done that not happening. So paying money is not the answer either. Go to a pkc hunt pay $30.00 for entry $25.00 for gas win $52.50 yea thats makein money.

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-15-2018 02:35 AM:

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Originally posted by Brian Gray
If you think your going to get rich of the money hunts think again been there done that not happening. So paying money is not the answer either. Go to a pkc hunt pay $30.00 for entry $25.00 for gas win $52.50 yea thats makein money.

Do you have any input that will improve the attendance?

Posted by groworg1 on 03-15-2018 02:37 AM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
They need to do something for us old folks like buggy hunts or free buffets at all the hunts and senior citizen discounts on entry's and paper work that's it I am going hunting and this all better be straitened out when I get home or else lol.

Tar

buggy hunts for us old folks now we're talking my language

Posted by Truth on 03-15-2018 02:41 AM:

BIG NO

I had 13 Nt Ch. Cast wins on My Old Sue Female. She Died A Nt.Ch That GR.Nt.CH tidal did not do anything for her or myself. Now it would Have Brought more Fame to her Mother though. That doesn't say much there anyway.

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Posted by Brian Gray on 03-15-2018 02:43 AM:

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Do you have any input that will improve the attendance?

Sure wish I did. It is sad to say and many don't want to hear it but in the area I live this sport is a dying sport. Not much a person can do to make a person want to coon hunt or join a club that they have no interest in. There are a handful of guys that go to the hunts around here that are all pretty much in the same age group when this group is done we are in big trouble around here.

Posted by nitehunter2004 on 03-15-2018 03:04 AM:

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Originally posted by Brian Gray
Sure wish I did. It is sad to say and many don't want to hear it but in the area I live this sport is a dying sport. Not much a person can do to make a person want to coon hunt or join a club that they have no interest in. There are a handful of guys that go to the hunts around here that are all pretty much in the same age group when this group is done we are in big trouble around here.

I hope your wrong but Are you part of that group?

Posted by T Felderman on 03-15-2018 03:13 AM:

I hear about the ole this dog had to grub out 2 old feeder tracks, while this dog went the feeders. Fact of the matter is, just as often a dog will draw a good spot and only tree 2 coons and the cast seen many sitting up while another cast may tree 3. The only three seen.

Posted by T Felderman on 03-15-2018 03:18 AM:

Comparing UKC to the open event money hunts is mind boggling. I don't think your big winners go to just get a CW. They go to get in the final four for the bigger pay day. I know the few I go to I do.

Posted by Charles Pullen on 03-15-2018 03:25 AM:

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Originally posted by Brian Gray
Sure wish I did. It is sad to say and many don't want to hear it but in the area I live this sport is a dying sport. Not much a person can do to make a person want to coon hunt or join a club that they have no interest in. There are a handful of guys that go to the hunts around here that are all pretty much in the same age group when this group is done we are in big trouble around here.

That's what I've been saying too . Lot of factors plays into "the dying sport" . People getting older and caint do what they use to do and not as many to carry the torch . Some states don't see this issue but in the southern states it's noticeable . Then losing places to hunt don't help either . People ain't gonna drive to a hunt and spend money when they hear club members begging for a guide and then go out and don't get after a coon unless it's a mile away . Then you gotta past 1/2 dozen houses people yelling at you . Timber getting cut , deer hunters hate dogs too . It's a combination of several things . There's a few clubs here close don't have no hunts cause of lack of membership participation. If you caint put on a good club then how do expect to have good participation. It takes a good hard working dedicated folks to do so not just a couple . But it's hard to do without help . There's a lot of reasons not just one the reasons it's fading . Wether you admit it or not cause numbers don't lie .

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Posted by Brian Gray on 03-15-2018 03:42 AM:

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Originally posted by nitehunter2004
I hope your wrong but Are you part of that group?

Yes Sir I am.

Posted by Brian Gray on 03-15-2018 04:00 AM:

This is of the subject a little but coon hunting use to be a good ol country boys past time didn't have to have a Dr. or lawyer income to be able to afford this sport. Now days the price of a decent dog that a person feels like it can win some hunts with most workin men can't afford then you need a tracking system to keep your investment safe. then you have lights,trucks,dog boxes and all the other things that go along with it. Most folks just don't have the funds to invest in this sport when most of the time there is no return on all your investments. Back in the 80's when I remember 60 to 80 dogs being at a coon hunt the coon hides where high and a person could make a decent wage of a season kill to justify the expense now days you just have to love it to stay with it. This sport if you think about it is very expensive might have something to do with people not getting involved.

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