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Posted by novicane65 on 02-26-2018 12:34 AM:

If your dog needs a buddy to hunt with he shouldn't be at a hunt. I don't care if mine covers. But I do care the same as Jim, or if he needs to go 300+ yards to get there. I'm not a fan of hunting one drop here and moving. I like to recut. You'd be surprised at how many guys don't work their dogs on going back to the same tree.

Posted by high ridge on 02-26-2018 01:44 AM:

You are right. If you can’t recut it is tough to win consistently. A lot of dogs are lost after you unsnap them again

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-26-2018 01:53 AM:

What I mean is Jim in the new kc's if I cut and I end up with 25 strike ( you know why lol ) and dogs are treed deep by then instead of being leash locked I get to cut and maybe get another one behind or the side of them no I won't have one go a long ways to cover. They only got three minutes to cover anyways.

Tar

Posted by JiM on 02-26-2018 02:44 AM:

What I'm saying Tar is that in that very situation your strike is shut out and at best you may get 25 on the tree. And nobody hunts for 25.

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Posted by thomasg on 02-26-2018 05:49 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
What I'm saying Tar is that in that very situation your strike is shut out and at best you may get 25 on the tree. And nobody hunts for 25.

i got a first place win that made my dog a night champion on a very bad night when he got alone with a coon . took minus 125 once on tree when the 2 got him but kept his strike points . rest of the cast was done with -400 .lol some of us take what we can get .lol

Posted by Chuck Allen on 02-26-2018 05:59 AM:

I have no idea I hunt extra trashy depression era sportsman hounds extra on the trashy side. LOL

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-26-2018 12:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
What I'm saying Tar is that in that very situation your strike is shut out and at best you may get 25 on the tree. And nobody hunts for 25.

Nope in $$$$ if all dogs are treed and you cut you go back in for 25 strike if you tree other than with them it's 100 tree if you back after 3 minutes you get 0 with a line through your strike I don't think anybody's got a dog fast enough to pull off of the tree and get to another's before the three is up lol.

Tar

Posted by thomasg on 02-26-2018 07:57 PM:

Re: Training the competition coonhound.

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
How many think like I do give me an honest strike dog that will stay put with the meat and stay out of harms way I will win more than I loose. Or do y'all think you got to teach them all the tricks to make them a winner ?

Tar

quit living in the past .strike points equals winner in the new age and decreasing hunt times of the future . think with your power house you are going to draw out and go to a coon zoo every time . after 2 nights at the black eye pea clasic where half time ruby put on a coon treeing clinic night 3 they dry holed her . lol dont take long for the big boys to get the word out on a dog these days .most know every thing about any dog at any hunt they go to they might draw and what they need to increase odds of winning .

Posted by yadkintar on 02-26-2018 08:53 PM:

Well in the past is where my fondest memories are !! If I am expected to cuss the moh and judges , threaten to whoop everybody on a regular basis cuss like a sailor in front of women and children. Hunt a babbling, blow deep mean dog and pull the Hankey pankey to fill in the cracks to fit in !! .................. I just won't fit in !! You can still go to many hunts anywhere around here with an honest coon treeing dog and win !! And if you conduct your self with integrity these men will respect you. That's who I want to fit in with.

But that's just me !!

Tar

Posted by thomasg on 02-27-2018 01:34 PM:

a good honest pleasure dog that is honest and good about having a coon will win a few hunts at the local level .might get lucky at the national level now and then . one you can stand to feed and hunt around the house and have some fun with.if you want to run a state race get truck tickets win a pile of money and have fortune and fame you need to have a dog like you described in the post above and no morals .lol the automatic strike dog that puts a coon you can see up a bush a mile away with sharp teeth is hard to beat with a good country coon hound .county coon dogs are what i enjoy hunting so guess im a dinosaur .lol

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-27-2018 04:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by thomasg
.if you want to run a state race get truck tickets win a pile of money and have fortune and fame you need to have a dog like you described in the post above and no morals .lol the automatic strike dog that puts a coon you can see up a bush a mile away with sharp teeth is hard to beat with a good country coon hound .county coon dogs are what i enjoy hunting so guess im a dinosaur .lol

I disagree. There are some dogs out there that are not like you descibed are not barking idiots or mean that win state races get truck tickets and can be a pleasure to hunt and their owners have morals. Watch yourself when you go lumping all together, there are some great people and some nice guys in that catagory one my husband and several friends.
I'm going to use a phrase I think it was Elvis used a while back ... indifference. A dog that can be hunted with the best to the biggest piece of junk in any conditions and any terrain and is indifferent to all has one thing on his mind going and treeing coons, that would be a top competition hound.

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-27-2018 07:53 PM:

Jen .........Elvis would know a dog no matter what else he does when he gets points he has to keep them I admire the people that put those dogs in those late rounds usually that means with the early round and the late round handler and hound have hunted 3 or 4 hours once when the coons were moving and later when they were not kinda like back in the day that last hour was tuff.

Tar

Posted by MIKE CARDER on 02-27-2018 08:23 PM:

Robert

You do know 3 hours hunts are still an option right?

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Posted by yadkintar on 02-27-2018 08:29 PM:

Not for me they ain't lol. I want a 1 dog 30 minute hunt lol.

Tar

Posted by yadkinriver on 02-27-2018 08:32 PM:

Dang I like a woman that stands up for her man and his dog.

Posted by novicane65 on 02-27-2018 09:04 PM:

There's some differences in truck tickets vs big hunts. Big hunts the strike points matter more. Truck tickets are from local level hunts. Not many big winners are 25/100 type dogs. Only way to make up the difference for this type is to tree 1 more coon than the barker. And to do it you need speed. I'm not talking in the 4-5 mph range. More in the 10+ mph range. Which to find the ones that hunt that fast and once struck are still about that fast are extremely hard to find. But if you're hunting against a barker that averages 13-14mph then your chances are extremely low that you'll win the cast unless they slick. But another factor to throw in if your dog can't do the speed is accuracy. And just like racing speed is your friend or worst enemy.

Posted by thomasg on 02-27-2018 09:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkinriver
Dang I like a woman that stands up for her man and his dog.

and she would be correct . i apologize for lumping all the dogs and owners together .

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-27-2018 09:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkinriver
Dang I like a woman that stands up for her man and his dog.

You ever met a momma bear lol. No apology necessary.
Tar, Elvis' analogy on indifference is probably the best decription of a coondog I've read on here.
Back to your debate guys, we always enjoy reading, continue on.
Jen

Posted by Chuck Allen on 02-28-2018 03:30 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
I disagree. There are some dogs out there that are not like you descibed are not barking idiots or mean that win state races get truck tickets and can be a pleasure to hunt and their owners have morals. Watch yourself when you go lumping all together, there are some great people and some nice guys in that catagory one my husband and several friends.
I'm going to use a phrase I think it was Elvis used a while back ... indifference. A dog that can be hunted with the best to the biggest piece of junk in any conditions and any terrain and is indifferent to all has one thing on his mind going and treeing coons, that would be a top competition hound.

Quoted for truth a rare commodity.

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Posted by thomasg on 02-28-2018 01:04 PM:

Re: Training the competition coonhound.

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
How many think like I do give me an honest strike dog that will stay put with the meat and stay out of harms way I will win more than I loose. Or do y'all think you got to teach them all the tricks to make them a winner ?

Tar

curious what tricks can i teach my pot lickers so i can go out and whip the world . lol

Posted by yadkintar on 02-28-2018 01:21 PM:

Train them to tree possums the leave right before you get there and leave everything else holding the bag but they will probly majority vote and plus the possum lol.

Tar

Posted by brack carr on 02-28-2018 04:51 PM:

that funny my old dog will tree one if a dog wont leave him a lone and when the either dog trees he leaves, the good news you can tell how he trees what he is doing

Posted by thomasg on 02-28-2018 06:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Train them to tree possums the leave right before you get there and leave everything else holding the bag but they will probly majority vote and plus the possum lol.

Tar

if i had a good possum dog i would sell it to high ridge .lol

Posted by T Felderman on 02-28-2018 06:26 PM:

Re: Re: Training the competition coonhound.

quote:
Originally posted by thomasg
after 2 nights at the black eye pea clasic where half time ruby put on a coon treeing clinic night 3 they dry holed her . lol dont take long for the big boys to get the word out on a dog these days .most know every thing about any dog at any hunt they go to they might draw and what they need to increase odds of winning .

I hope this isn't true.

Posted by Chuck Allen on 03-01-2018 12:42 AM:

80-90% of the time most disagreements between people are not about dogs, kc politics etc. or anything that has to do with living ones life much less hunting/training ones dog at all it is about, ignorance, jealousy, greed, envy etc. jmho

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