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Tar

You, as a MOH, have a responsibility to make the correct decision/s regarding rule/s questions! Saying you have not even read the advisor, is an open admission that you are defiant to the very rules you are supposed to enforce.A law judge is supposed to be familiar with case law and how certain cases have been decided ! A Moh should also, be familiar with the advisor that cites certain examples and how to properly decide these cases. How can you do your job if you ignore these examples? What you are doing is enacting your interpretation to any question/s that arise and not Ukc's ruling . No law or rule is absolute and must be open to interpretation. Our legal system has case law that we go by and Ukc has the advisor to explain certain cases that everyone should follow. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Tar should be barred from UKC and all public office and should not be allowed in a court of law unless as a defendant

I believe the advisor should be free to all. Never saw another game that if you wanted to play, you had to buy the rules.

SO I have come up with a much cheaper and easier solution. When I'm stumped, I call JiM.

When Allen has a question he calls Jim.

Who does Jim call?....Tar?

Rules

Jim READS the ADVISOR and RULES , just ask him! Now, I am not so sure that Tar can actually read. Lol. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Re: Tar

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You, as a MOH, have a responsibility to make the correct decision/s regarding rule/s questions! Saying you have not even read the advisor, is an open admission that you are defiant to the very rules you are supposed to enforce.A law judge is supposed to be familiar with case law and how certain cases have been decided ! A Moh should also, be familiar with the advisor that cites certain examples and how to properly decide these cases. How can you do your job if you ignore these examples? What you are doing is enacting your interpretation to any question/s that arise and not Ukc's ruling . No law or rule is absolute and must be open to interpretation. Our legal system has case law that we go by and Ukc has the advisor to explain certain cases that everyone should follow. Dave

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Tar

You just do not get the picture Tar, this is not yourgame game or your rules! You do not have the right to decide questiins based on your opinion alone. Ukc has privided you with case examples and the way to decide those cases. You have flaunted the fact that you have neither read or used the Advisor in any decision/s you have made, are you really that anti Ukc? If you are unwilling or incapable of abiding by Ukc's rules and interpretations of said rules, you should remove yourself from a position of trust as a Moh.

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Re: Tar

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
You just do not get the picture Tar, this is not yourgame game or your rules! You do not have the right to decide questiins based on your opinion alone. Ukc has privided you with case examples and the way to decide those cases. You have flaunted the fact that you have neither read or used the Advisor in any decision/s you have made, are you really that anti Ukc? If you are unwilling or incapable of abiding by Ukc's rules and interpretations of said rules, you should remove yourself from a position of trust as a Moh.

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Tar

You asked the question about being barred, I think you have answered that question! Now, the real question is, will you man up and do the right thing? You are not a team player, by your own admissions, you do not follow the rules and format that Ukc provides. You are your own worst enemy, you should perhaps remain silient and let things be for a while. JS. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

I go right by the rule book as I have for years you and your little buddy carder buy me an advisor I will read it I love a good novel. You two are quick to judge a man for things you do not do yourself. What do they call that ? Umm it's right on the tip of my tongue? Oh yeah that's it lol.



When y'all taking your test ?

Tar

Tarbaby, if you don't need the Advisor then why are you complaining about it?

Tar

If you place so much credit on being a MOH, why don't you respect the position? Why do you get on the Ukc board and boast about not ever reading or using the Advisor and never ever needing anything, but the back of a scorecard? You seem to think that you are above any ruling/s made by Ukc in addressing issues that are outside the back of the scorecard format. You remind me of some backwoods judge who thinks they are above the very law they are sworn to uphold. If you are so proud of your Moh license, why won't you do all you can to ensure you are making the right decisions per Ukc rulings. It sounds and looks like you are more interested in playing with what little power that title holds, rather than making the right decision/s. For the record, a club does not need a master of hounds to be successful, they need officers and working members. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Well Richard I was going in a certain direction with a little humor before heckle and jeckle chimed in as usual. What ever rules we go by needs to be available and easy to to obtain by everybody while I been laying here sick every day there are questions about things that a moh would know but evidently the hd format has people running hunts that have no qualifications to do so more less just somebody that will set at the club house so how many hd have read the rules and all of the advisor ? That might be why you are having problems at hunts !! Believe me whether you are licensed or not setting in that chair all night ain't much fun and if you are not trained and don't have the information at hand when a problem comes in at 2:00 in the morning it can be miserable. Only advantage I got I hunted in the hunts for years and I have seen the same scenarios over and over and read the rules over and over on the job training is what they call it !!


Tar

Dave I refuse to read your bantering any longer you are no better than anyone else on here you get so caught up in you mission that you ruin a topic before it comes to fruit but you never start a topic of your own why ???




Tar

Robert

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I go right by the rule book as I have for years you and your little buddy carder buy me an advisor I will read it I love a good novel. You two are quick to judge a man for things you do not do yourself. What do they call that ? Umm it's right on the tip of my tongue? Oh yeah that's it lol.



When y'all taking your test ?

Tar

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Iraq Vet, 03-05, 05-07, 09-10

Phone number 270-820-5560

Tar

Humor, you put something out there, asking a question, flauting your disregard of the advisor, and expect no negative feedback! I Now, that is funny, sad part of all this. is you really think that you are right. Why are you the only Moh that gets on here talking such trash? Ask yourself, look in the mirror any maybe you will see the problem. (Maybe, maybe not ) You can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Nuff said. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Again didn't say I wouldn't read it but if all it does is tell you how to apply the rules here is one for you say you got a four dog cast 2 dogs are treed and scored 2 dogs are deep by time you pull off the tree you cannot hear them by the rules you go back to the last spot you heard them and start the 8 it's their 8 so they can walk it if still not heard you call time they got an hour to catch them and be back where you cut. Then in the advisor I ain't read it but something was said if you drive around and they are tree you split the tree points ? Now that is totally hearsay but if you were an untrained hd at a hunt and mr handler hit you with that one what would you do. That's my point make all this available in the hunt packet or just use the card like we have for years.



Tar

Have any of you guys ever attended a hunt at Merrietta ? Tar and the guys put on a really well run hunt UKC or $KC ! I like to banter and rib my buddies as much as anyone else and I've not read all his post but it looks like Tar will throw something out there to start a debate / stir the pot and gets more negative personal commentary than should be expected . All this should be proofed . It's no wonder they interest isn't there . On another subject people will pay $300 entry fees in $KC hunts why do you think they don't turn out for Slam events ? You can win more than a yellow slip . Maybe it's the way we attack on this board (not calling anyone in particular). I've noticed something that I respect from CHKC . They call me or text me personally promoting events near me . I'm not expecting Allen to do this but maybe clubs should build a list of hunters and do some networking . Not that some of these post aren't entertaining but it's getting a bit out of hand

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Originally posted by Mike Knuckols
Have any of you guys ever attended a hunt at Merrietta ? Tar and the guys put on a really well run hunt UKC or $KC ! I like to banter and rib my buddies as much as anyone else and I've not read all his post but it looks like Tar will throw something out there to start a debate / stir the pot and gets more negative personal commentary than should be expected . All this should be proofed . It's no wonder they interest isn't there . On another subject people will pay $300 entry fees in $KC hunts why do you think they don't turn out for Slam events ? You can win more than a yellow slip . Maybe it's the way we attack on this board (not calling anyone in particular). I've noticed something that I respect from CHKC . They call me or text me personally promoting events near me . I'm not expecting Allen to do this but maybe clubs should build a list of hunters and do some networking . Not that some of these post aren't entertaining but it's getting a bit out of hand

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They have a really nice facility with fabulous hunting within 10 miles . More spots than guides . They need more people to get involved and I believe they are generating or being inclusive by going after the non sanctioned guys the $kc guys and the UKC guys and maybe they can build an active membership back up . Where I live I think we need to start a chapter where our 4 clubs get together and jointly schedule their hunts no matter the KC . And everyone needs to not compete with the Cystic fibrosis benefit hunt in March

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Mike Knuckols
Cold Traxx Kennels .com
"The Big Yummer "

Home of :
CH NITECH Whitemans Poison
GRCH NITECH Cold Traxx Extra Man
CH GRNITECH Kings Hardwood Ranger
UKC CH PKC CH CHKC CH Cold Traxx Man Child
GRNTCH PKC CH Hunt it off Bella
Cold Traxx Southern Honey
Cold Traxx Mattie
Cold Traxx Super Freak



Gone but never forgotten :
NITECH McFarlands Joe
Knuckols Hooker
NITECH Cypress River Chance
NITECH Cypress River Honey
NITECH Cypress River Princess
NITECH Newcombs Miss Molly
NITECH Wilsons Hardwood Ann
GRCH GRNTCH Paulding Forrest Bubba

Regarding Tar

When you post this kind of info that berates Ukc's Rules and disregards the position of Ukc's Advisor on Ukc's board and flaunt thus as a Ukc MOH, you can expect negative feedback. If Tarbaby doesn't like Ukc's rules or interpretation of said rules given un the advisor, he needs to find another playground. I make no apologies for my defense of Ukc and Ukc rules. Nuff said. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Google "Narcissist". That will explain a lot about this thread.

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AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
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IMHO everyone needs some much needed sensitivity training, Tar and I agree on one thing we both like Possum.

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Re: Regarding Tar

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
When you post this kind of info that berates Ukc's Rules and disregards the position of Ukc's Advisor on Ukc's board and flaunt thus as a Ukc MOH, you can expect negative feedback. If Tarbaby doesn't like Ukc's rules or interpretation of said rules given un the advisor, he needs to find another playground. I make no apologies for my defense of Ukc and Ukc rules. Nuff said. Dave

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