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Originally posted by edwardfasteddy
UKC GR. Nite Champions not that big of a deal. Hall of Fame,World Champions, Grand America Winners, another story. Anyone on here know anything about dogs? LOL

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edwardfasteddy

Just wanted to reply to your post. I think I know what a coondog is. Even though you have 45 yrs. experience and I only have a little over 35 yrs. unless you count beagles and game chickens. I do know what a HOF plaque looks like since I'm looking at one on my wall. A buddy of mine in Ga. has one on his wall from a dog that came from here too. I haven't ever won the world but have had several participate in it. As a matter of fact one from here placed in the 2016 world top 20. one from here has been the high scoring dog at the State hunt, one won the Grand American, one won the Lee Crawford and several have been high scoring nite ch. at SETWA. All of these dogs were family bred.
Have a female now whose granddam goes back to the same dog 22 times and she's bred even tighter. Gonna be bred this year to a dog tight of the same family. Might have to take time to figure out how many times now but you can bet they all tree coons and their papers are right. This female has only been hunted in one hunt which was a state hunt and tied for first and lost out on tree points, so has a second.
Never think I'm bragging on myself but I am proud of my dogs.

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
Just wanted to reply to your post. I think I know what a coondog is. Even though you have 45 yrs. experience and I only have a little over 35 yrs. unless you count beagles and game chickens. I do know what a HOF plaque looks like since I'm looking at one on my wall. A buddy of mine in Ga. has one on his wall from a dog that came from here too. I haven't ever won the world but have had several participate in it. As a matter of fact one from here placed in the 2016 world top 20. one from here has been the high scoring dog at the State hunt, one won the Grand American, one won the Lee Crawford and several have been high scoring nite ch. at SETWA. All of these dogs were family bred.
Have a female now whose granddam goes back to the same dog 22 times and she's bred even tighter. Gonna be bred this year to a dog tight of the same family. Might have to take time to figure out how many times now but you can bet they all tree coons and their papers are right. This female has only been hunted in one hunt which was a state hunt and tied for first and lost out on tree points, so has a second.
Never think I'm bragging on myself but I am proud of my dogs.

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Thanks Reuben. Followed some of your post and can tell you are a dog man too.

The Plaque I was looking at also produced a Hall of Fame dog did yours? and what is your dogs name?

I APPRECIATE ALL THE REPLYS. My intention was never a P.....g contest between some but to really get different views and opinions on linebreeding and yes inbreeding. myself, i believe in linebreeding when done correctly. i was just trying to see what others thought about it and see how many out there that are hunting linebred dogs would talk about their strengths and weaknesses.

Well here is how it works, If you take or have the best dog in the world, we will just say he is flawless, not in your eyes but by a lot of other hunters and you want to save this individual, you first want to breed him to a very good daughter of his that is just as good. If the pups turn out just as good as they are OR better, you got something. If the dogs turn out worthless or just don't have it, this type of breeding will prove you didn't have anything to start with, You get it?

edwardfasteddy

The plaque I'm looking at is mine, not someone elses. No she never produced a HOF dog was was a historical reproducer until she was taken off after 25 years. If the time limit hadn't gotten her she would still be there. And as for my 35+ years experience that is family breeding this strain of dogs. I've been
hunting with tree dogs since I was 10 yrs old so that makes over 55 yrs. I'm in no contest with anyone. Just wanted you to know you aren't the only one on here that knows a dog. Matter of fact, there is a lady that gets on here from Missouri that knows more than the majority of the men on here.

Tar ....

Is any of your hounds inbred ..?

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Khester

Didn't mean to kill your post. I think you are about as right as you are gonna get with your opinion. If you have two dogs with the for laymen terms we'll just say the same looks and actions in the same family and they suit you go ahead and try it. They should be fairly consistant. Breeding crossed up hybridstrains is drawing for an inside straight. It will produce a few good ones on average but you have to keep the whole litter to find them. Occasionally you hit a home run but not often.
To insure a home run breed a balanced dog from an exceptional litter to a balanced dog from an exceptional litter from the same family. Then call them inbred, linebred or family bred but you will see your breeding success improve.

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Originally posted by yadkinriver
To insure a home run breed a balanced dog from an exceptional litter to a balanced dog from an exceptional litter from the same family. Then call them inbred, linebred or family bred but you will see your breeding success improve.

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no prob yadkinriver. i appreciate your input. now id like to take this a step further. is family breeding just keeping certain dogs in a ped as close as possible? im not a walker man but lets use a walker line for instance. do yall consider family breeding like trying to keep balls hickory nut harry as close and as many times in the ped as possible while still breeding to uncles, aunts, cousins, etc all the while keeping harry there? is that what you calling family breeding? or is this still linebreeding? what im trying to do in my breeding is concentrate on a certain stud dog that i feel really put what i like in hounds in his offspring even though he has been gone for several years. so im trying to breed to the very best i can find off him. takes pups from certain diff females and cross back on diff sires thus hopefully creating cousins that carry as many of the good traits as i can possibly get. so is this linebreeding or family breeding or are they one in the same? thanks again for all the input.

Khester

You should know better than get on here asking for opinions. lol. Seems nearly everyone has a different one. Your plan is the one I've followed for so many years. My dogs have been refered to as linebred and inbred so I just call them family bred. If anyone knows the true difference I would like to know myself.

For instance tar rattler is in my dogs pedigree about 9 times and lipper about 5 times I know yadkinriver has rattler probly at least 20 times just examples !! Never bred anything from rattler to rattler but always one or two generations back one side or the other. The main thing for you to advance with a line of dogs when it don't work you take them out of the gene pool if your not willing to do that just buy you a dog to hunt when you need one. Oh by the way rattler has 3 hall of fame plaques.


Tar

Anytime I see where someone said the cross didn't work, to tight, Inbreed, and the pups just didn't have it, I don't pay any attention to it and this is why.. THE BREEDING IS A SMALL PART OF IT. I made a cross one time that was unbelievable, It was a good cross even made a video of them. But I started all 9 of the pups here myself with my methods. Made the cross again and had only 8 pups this time sold them as pups to 8 coonhunters that knew what a good cross it was. None of the pups made it, they said they couldn't get them started. This was not the pups fault. I got some of the pups back and trained them, they were just like the first litter. If your looking for a pup that can just go out and train itself, dogs like that are few and far between. If your looking for a cross that you don't have to train, a little inbreeding, let them run loose on a farm, talk to guys that think they know it all, you are dreaming. Most dogs are smarter then the owners: LOL

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Originally posted by edwardfasteddy
Anytime I see where someone said the cross didn't work, to tight, Inbreed, and the pups just didn't have it, I don't pay any attention to it and this is why.. THE BREEDING IS A SMALL PART OF IT. I made a cross one time that was unbelievable, It was a good cross even made a video of them. But I started all 9 of the pups here myself with my methods. Made the cross again and had only 8 pups this time sold them as pups to 8 coonhunters that knew what a good cross it was. None of the pups made it, they said they couldn't get them started. This was not the pups fault. I got some of the pups back and trained them, they were just like the first litter. If your looking for a pup that can just go out and train itself, dogs like that are few and far between. If your looking for a cross that you don't have to train, a little inbreeding, let them run loose on a farm, talk to guys that think they know it all, you are dreaming. Most dogs are smarter then the owners: LOL

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If that was possible you are saying you make a cross and they are all duds, and cross them again and it might work the second time, That is what your saying. Its just backwards. I heard that before and I'm not sure where. I can give you lots of examples where that is not true, I would have to write that off as a Old and I mean Old wives tail..

Almighty Edward, hhow's your super dogs bred? Where's the pedigrees so we can all learn from the "best" in world. I'd like to line breed dogs, but my work and kennels don't support the idea. You ever think that possibly it's a fluke that your hof dog reproduced a hof dog?

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Originally posted by yadkintar
For instance tar rattler is in my dogs pedigree about 9 times and lipper about 5 times I know yadkinriver has rattler probly at least 20 times just examples !! Never bred anything from rattler to rattler but always one or two generations back one side or the other. The main thing for you to advance with a line of dogs when it don't work you take them out of the gene pool if your not willing to do that just buy you a dog to hunt when you need one. Oh by the way rattler has 3 hall of fame plaques.


Tar

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Breeding male from one litter and female from different litter same sire same dam...inbred ??

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Almighty Edward, hhow's your super dogs bred? Where's the pedigrees so we can all learn from the "best" in world. I'd like to line breed dogs, but my work and kennels don't support the idea. You ever think that possibly it's a fluke that your hof dog reproduced a hof dog?


You need to go back and read the answer again.... I don't care what the breeding is, I do like them to be loud, and they can be out of big winners I like that but, the rest is in your hands...

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Originally posted by Night cry
Breeding male from one litter and female from different litter same sire same dam...inbred ??

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Gentlemen, The reason one cross may work and the second cross may not is "Because " if the are not bred close, The Mighty gene pool ocean is like the lottery ball machine who knows where it will land. There is know way in the world to make it happen again unless one of the parents happens to be prepotent and very few have ever been.

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
Gentlemen, The reason one cross may work and the second cross may not is "Because " if the are not bred close, The Mighty gene pool ocean is like the lottery ball machine who knows where it will land. There is know way in the world to make it happen again unless one of the parents happens to be prepotent and very few have ever been.

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Khester- Focus on only the ones showing the studs traits and be critical and you will do well, the bad rap has come from lazy breeders who do not cull the bad genes and breed them just because they are out of ole so and so.

Never breed on a set of papers or a dogs name!
They must show the traits!

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"Life is short boys, Hunt an intelligent hound"

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