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Posted by KevinP on 11-01-2017 07:29 PM:

Nope , sure don't tar. Just laughing, pull your panties out and relax.

Posted by V. Cannon on 11-01-2017 07:42 PM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
The yadkinriver dogs were popular way before the wipeout dogs were ever thought of. The only thing that makes the wipeout dogs popular in the $kc is the leash lock rule they have been built on that rule babble for a 100 strike keep it open blow deep tree a hot pop up even if you tree a coon behind them your beat only reason you seen bigger scores at this years world hunt is because of the coon rich enviorment coons running everywhere bring them big blubber mouth blow deep suckers down here you get back to the truck you won't like wipeout no more all afoot no buggys no driving around and I ain't got to drive 16 hrs take a week off of work spend $1,500 to walk my guts out to say I was at the world hunt I don't sell supplies I train coondogs by the way there is a 2 yr old in my back yard that made it to the world hunt this year out of 5 generations of my stuff and I told you ahead of time he would you can't snow the snow man go to no leash lock in pkc there would be a big line in doggie heaven.

Team player tar.

Do you think the Wipeout dogs babble more than the Tar Rattler Dogs? I doubt it, I remember Rattle Shaker and a couple others that seemed to to be the big winners off of Tar Rattler, I remember them barking when they was on the leash when they came out of the box and kept it up until a dog treed a coon for them

Posted by yadkintar on 11-01-2017 07:51 PM:

I did not like rattle shaker. He was out of a lipper bitch that's were it come from lol. I liked rattle snake he was not flashy but I seen him score 600+ in a 1 hour hunt. My dogs got rattler and lipper about 5 times each anything they do good it's because of rattler anything bad it's lippers fault lol.

Posted by MIKE CARDER on 11-01-2017 08:47 PM:

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Here is a picture I took yesterday afternoon of an old and wore out Wipeout female out of Zeb Again.
This female is 8 years old and I have had her for about half of those years and she has never seen a thyroid pill.

This year in PKC she finishing in the top 16 in IN with right at $1800 won. She won a truck ticket for the Senior Truck Hunt next spring. She just came back from the PKC world hunt where she was hunted one night and won early with 400 plus points and lost late because after treeing a coon she decided to tree a slick persimmon tree. Don't think the Thyroid had anything to do with that. This dog is near perfect around the house. She has had two litters and a 3rd place SS winner came from the first litter. Her total winnings I am not sure of as they keep adding up but around $14,000 is probably a good guess.
So before anyone lumps all Wipeout dogs as needing Thyroid pills please do some more research. I have also had several others that never saw a Thyroid Pill either.

That is a nice looking hound Bruce. Wish I had one like her.

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Posted by edwardfasteddy on 11-01-2017 09:03 PM:

Hey TAR, Where is this Marietta, is it in Ohio? Man if you want to jump on all these boards and dish it out you got to be able to take it, and you have to have the Horse Power to go with it...... Lets start a thread about all the Holes that are in those Yadkin Tar Rattler dogs, you seem to know a lot about them, what is some of thier hang ups? or do you want me to start? HeHeHeHeHeHeHeHe! LOL!!! Ps, I owned one of the best sons of Old Yadkin Jeff, and I'm sure he was hunted with Rattler, Crowder, and Champ back in the day. They say he was the best of that group. They also put him in the Hall of Fame the same year they put Yadkin River Jeff in.. If your an expert with the Yadkin River dogs, Name this dog... Later

Posted by yadkintar on 11-01-2017 09:32 PM:

Marietta okla lol. Never had much experience with the yadkinriver dogs till Delton got rattler they suit me but far as holes they either make it or they don't just like anything else but their style being real thorough about the way they operate and not blowing past coons in this ruff country and not being hard to break is what I like far as the wipeout dogs I only have hunted with 3 in my life I just was teasing Bruce he knew it lol. Some dogs are popular in terrain that allows them to operate the way they do wipe out dogs will break you from hunting here. If you call it a hole chief , Deacon , and now Fred don't like the ivory at the tree they will back up and get out of the way and maybe even leave but will be alone the rest of the night if with a ruff dog got plenty of heart just not that way.

Posted by MIKE CARDER on 11-01-2017 09:44 PM:

Well

This should get interesting!!!

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-01-2017 09:45 PM:

😂😂😂

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Posted by Bruce m. Conkey on 11-01-2017 09:46 PM:

We all like a dog that performs to our standards. We have a bunch of different breeds and bloodlines that perform for their owners. If any one person had the secret sauce there would be a traffic jam in front of his house 24/7.

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-01-2017 09:53 PM:

First slick treeing idiot that was ever marketed was tar rattler 😂😂😂.. That SOB produced loud mouth tree dogs for sure.. And them sap suckers would stay hell or high water.. but you had to breed him to them good Lipper bitches and then you had something.. Rattler was the best thing in the world that come along back in them days because he for sure put the brakes on them running son of a guns. The most balanced dogs I ever raised were off tar rattler and Lipper females. I had other rattler offspring out of other females not out of Lipper and they treed way to much and where on the lazy order. This is going to put tar into orbit, but he knows where I stand and I know where he stands.. Lol

Posted by edwardfasteddy on 11-01-2017 10:03 PM:

Man, These Wipeout dogs got thyroid problems, kidney failure, and cancer, and as bad a shape as there in, they still whip anything you put in front of them . UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Posted by yadkintar on 11-01-2017 10:05 PM:

Jay me and you are on the same page I just like to be honery lol. I can't argue with you because everything I got is pretty much a lipper X rattler cross didn't see the slick treeing much because I would not allow it but they are some of the best fastest track dogs I have ever hunted seen bozz tree coons other dogs could not even open on he was out of shaker !! Seen Deacon have to go a mile to find a coon but I scored 750+ one night closest dog had 200+ and never lost sight of the pickup granny scored 1200+ at the Oklahoma state championship Fred as a 2yr old went to the world hunt needs 3 wins to grand not much slick treeing here but I don't allow them to.

Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-01-2017 10:31 PM:

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Posted by joey on 11-01-2017 11:38 PM:

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Actually Tar I look at it the other way around. A lot of accurate track hounds from the wipeout breed have plugged several holes in some slick treeing bloodlines. Tar most men will never breed for balance because of egos. Most of the time what you need to balance your dogs is in someones elses pen. But you breed your own line till you box it into a corner. Lots of good dogs out there from several lines. Doesnt hurt to go with the best even if its in your buddies pen.

That's a fact Bruce, In my opinion and some might not agree but Rat attack dang near ruined the walker breed. He came along when we didnt need anymore tree power and he put another 200% in. Crossed on the right stuff he did pretty good. Rat on Clover was a good cross. Rat on the foundation whipeout stuff was a good cross, but other than that he set us back 20 years.

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-01-2017 11:46 PM:

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Originally posted by joey
That's a fact Bruce, In my opinion and some might not agree but Rat attack dang near ruined the walker breed. He came along when we didnt need anymore tree power and he put another 200% in. Crossed on the right stuff he did pretty good. Rat on Clover was a good cross. Rat on the foundation whipeout stuff was a good cross, but other than that he set us back 20 years.

Bingo!! I've been threatened to be burned at the stake for making the same comment.. Lol but your absolutely right. It will take 20 years to right what rat attack destroyed..

Posted by yadkintar on 11-01-2017 11:55 PM:

Bruce I am just running out of time my going big or going home is just about over I just stick with what I know now don't have time for mistakes but if I did I would like to use a straw of rattler seman on a zeb 3 daughter it should have the track speed of the old sailor dogs with the tree power of rattler would be the complete dog me thinks lol.

Posted by joey on 11-02-2017 12:01 AM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Bruce I am just running out of time my going big or going home is just about over I just stick with what I know now don't have time for mistakes but if I did I would like to use a straw of rattler seman on a zeb 3 daughter it should have the track speed of the old sailor dogs with the tree power of rattler would be the complete dog me thinks lol.

Or the track power of rattler and the tree power of sailor!

Posted by yadkintar on 11-02-2017 12:06 AM:

Either way they should be ungodly loud , loud ,independent and accurate.

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 11-02-2017 12:08 AM:

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Originally posted by joey
Or the track power of rattler and the tree power of sailor!

Lol. Have to double up on Rat to fix that mess

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-02-2017 12:18 AM:

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Posted by yadkintar on 11-02-2017 12:21 AM:

I don't know what your talking about them sailor dogs in jeffs pedigree were track running son of a guns and Jeff threw it too these dogs of mine make a lot of dogs look stupid unraveling a bad track only hunted with rattler once he was 10 yrs old and that night he was 2 for2 with the coons and they were not easy ones either and would still drown out most people's brag dogs buuuuuut ole nailor was a rattler x lipper cross ( ole 30 blanks ) but he reproduced.

Lucy you got some esssplaining to do lol !

Posted by swamp1 on 11-02-2017 12:34 AM:

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I did not like rattle shaker. He was out of a lipper bitch that's were it come from lol. I liked rattle snake he was not flashy but I seen him score 600+ in a 1 hour hunt. My dogs got rattler and lipper about 5 times each anything they do good it's because of rattler anything bad it's lippers fault lol.

Lol, the cold hard truth is,it was the gyps faults that were bred to them both and they ain't the only $tuds that were bred to them,the big time list goes on. I remember rattler as a young dog and before him Jeff. I had male straight out of lipper, nice super loud tight mouthed powerhouse built hound. Mr Meeks knew hounds and hunted them d**n hard. He stated then where breeding was heading back then,and he was right. There was plenty of coons here then so people wanted ambush style dogs because they could tree more coons quicker. I know I hide hunted as a teenager. As far as a track dog that would open on a cold track and drive it,beating a tight mouth dog to tree.they accused them of running deer or babbling. There was only one problem with their thinking,back then the circle I hunted with we culled both. With the exception of pacman and select others the track dogs were fast vanishing even in eighty's. Then along came wipeout bred hounds and the old style tracking dogs with speed was saved. The majority kept breeding wham bam treed to popular tree dog stud's. I didn't want to face it either for a long while, but Mr Kiddy saved the walker breeding single handedly, period; breeding thanks to F.R. gyp to flat rock coma.

Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-02-2017 01:21 AM:

We raised Shaker and snake both they were brothers. Shaker was older. I trained snake. Clay Scott trained Shaker. Snake was ok but I liked Shaker allot better. In fact I would say in my opinion rattle snake wasn't a pimple on shakers butt as far as being a hard-nosed coondog. The two out of that cross that were my favorites were Bud and Spooner.. jmo.. we made that cross 3 times... As far as the wipeouts go. I agree.. they are the track dogs of today's Walker dogs

Posted by joey on 11-02-2017 02:40 AM:

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Originally posted by jay brademeyer
I agree.. they are the track dogs of today's Walker dogs

I'm feeling opinionated today and I'm going to say something else that will make some folks mad. Sorry Bruce I know you like them but I completely disagree with the statement Jay just made. Obviously I haven't hunted with all of them but I have hunted with a lot of the good ones. I have also pleasure hunted with them and had them on my Garmin. The Garmin tells on them. People think a lot of these dogs are running a track when they are not. I'm not talking about babbling. I'm talking about what I call rambling. They ramble all over the country "drifting" a track. What they are really doing is bumping on every rabbit, armadillo, skunk, squirrel, deer, fox, coyote, chipmunk and anything else that lays a track until they find a coon they can tree up a bush. There is no other way besides babbling to explain a dog covering country barking every 50 to 100 yards going in a virtual strait line. Then you watch them working a track for last 100 yards and treed with a coon. Or they fact that they are always struck in fairly close and treed way over there. I could understand not knowing this before the Garmin but it makes it pretty obvious whats happening. The guys hunting them that are doing this know exactly what they are doing but calling them track dogs sure makes it sound better.

Posted by jay brademeyer on 11-02-2017 03:09 AM:

Michael you need to reread my statement.. there is a pile of grey area in what I stated 😉

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