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I don't remember ever saying I beat a dogs but for putting a coon in. If your dog isn't smart enough to understand that there are more coons in the woods to tree then that's another story. You just have to be smarter than the dog, pretty simple really. I've never beat mine out of a hole as a matter of fact I don't even waste my time walking to a hole. Same with brush piles, doze piles, holes, caves. I wanna get him off a tree and he is smart enough to know the difference. And apparently my dog is smarter than most people on this post.

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Originally posted by Ozark Hillbilly
I understand not wanting them in a cave. But when my dog put a coon in a cave, what am I supposed to do? Beat his butt cause he chased a coon to the end of the track? And he's gonna understand it's because of the cave, not the coon? Do I just take pups into caves and start switching them? Shove their head in a hole and tear em up? Make em scared of a hole? Then shock em when they put a coon in one? I'M CONFUSED! My dog would be too. Where coons don't go in holes, I can see it. But here, they do from time to time. So if I tried to correct my dog for holes, I'm going to be working on breaking him off coons too. All I can see is me ruining a good dog trying to break one off holes. Break em off dillers and possums and you won't have a bunch of holes. But wearing a dog out for putting a coon in a hole, nawwwwww, I can't do that. I'll follow mine wherever the coon takes him. That's the deal you make with a coon dog.

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I just said I didn't understand how. I figured it was up to you to enlighten me, beings you obviously know more about training than me. Which is awesome. So, please, do tell.... I'm not trying to make you take offense for no reason, I never downed your dogs. You seem to know, so tell me how to go about keeping my dogs out of caves instead of going straight to insult mode. Is this not a place where a man can learn? I don't like my dogs in caves. But I don't know how to keep em from going in after a coon. I just don't. So I'm asking you as a feller that has more knowledge than I do, HOW DO I DO IT? I can't make my stupid dog any smarter. But I can try to learn. So?

Was directed towards firebird not you sir and I don't believe I will explain it. Kind of soured now

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I apologize for misunderstanding. I would like to express that I'm the type of guy who's learned everything about everything from people that know more than me. I know I don't know everything, and I try to soak up everything I can about the woods from everybody. There is no set way to train a dog. They're all different. So I appreciate everyone's knowledge, because one day it might apply to the pup I'm hunting. I hunt a lot with a guy who's been coon hunting for about 50 years. I mostly keep my mouth shut and listen. He used to make more a week off hides than his dad did at the sawmill. I consider myself blessed to hunt with him. I've been hunting coons for 20 years. I know some stuff. But I also know there's plenty fellas out there that's forgot more than I'll ever know, so that keeps me constantly learning and seeking knowledge about these dadgum hounds. Seems like just when I think I've got em figured out,, one shows me I don't have a clue! Kinda like women, turkeys, deer, fishing.... Maybe it's just me! 😂😂

No need to apologize, its not any of my business what anyone else feeds I was simply stating its not something I like and will correct it if it doesn't go away naturally. But I guess I'm just a retard hunting a quitter! Lol I don't know everything either but I know what I like and what I don't and I don't like one to stay in a hole of any kind.

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Mr. Ozark hillbilly where are you from?

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Stone county Ar, few miles north of mtn view, I'm in the sticks! Right in the middle of the Sylamore WMA. Thin coon, rough bluffy hills, but i love it. It makes it tough on man and dog. But none of that matters when ol moose open up on track! Him, the coons, and these old hills are good medicine.

Cool

This is how we all learn to get along...keep up the good work fellas

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Where I live coons go in the ground plenty.

It's easy to break a dog from treein in the ground. Just whoop them if they are caught at a hole and they will eventually locate it and go on and tree on a tree.

It doesn't seem to effect them treeing trees.

I will give an example, a friend of mine who had a very nice hound that was a good stud dog said the same thing, why in the world would you break a dog from treeing in the ground. That's where the coon went.

Then he drew out in the Zones I believe it was in Livingston TN, my area.

He and everyone else got striped by a local dog that was hole broke. They put three coons in the ground and while they were scoring circles cause of the limestone caves and sink holes where you will almost never see the coon the local dog located the hole with them and left. He would get treed on a tree. Their dogs were circled, he was plussed.

It only took that one time for him to admit that he seen why we broke our dogs from treein in the ground.

Besides that, if you don't break them you will end up with a dead or lost dog due to them around here. Holes are too deep and go too far back into caves.

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One of the nicest females to breathe air was lost in a cave never found.

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I'm not saying I don't realize the trouble with holes (don't have caves here) but there's leaner trees, pine trees that dogs can climb that I'd say are as dangerous or as problematic as holes. You could say roads and rivers are just as deadly. Actually blown out field drains and brush piles are problems here too.

But beating your dog off a coon in a hole just cause you can't score on it in a hunt is one of the stupidest things I've read on here in awhile!!

A dog that is not broke from staying in a hole, is soon to be dead around here. Saw one go in a hole in the bank of a big creek, He was so far in there you could hardly hear him bark, with your ear to the hole. He finally backed all the way out after the coon ate him up. I know of several caves that have produced 40 year old collars.

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I'm not saying I don't realize the trouble with holes (don't have caves here) but there's leaner trees, pine trees that dogs can climb that I'd say are as dangerous or as problematic as holes. You could say roads and rivers are just as deadly. Actually blown out field drains and brush piles are problems here too.

But beating your dog off a coon in a hole just cause you can't score on it in a hunt is one of the stupidest things I've read on here in awhile!!

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Originally posted by Ozark Hillbilly
Stone county Ar, few miles north of mtn view, I'm in the sticks! Right in the middle of the Sylamore WMA. Thin coon, rough bluffy hills, but i love it. It makes it tough on man and dog. But none of that matters when ol moose open up on track! Him, the coons, and these old hills are good medicine.

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That would be great!

Used to go down and visit some buddies down in the Batesville/Southside area.

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Shoot yeah. Batesville has a little farm land, and white river bottoms, plus the black river ain't to far from there. It's a little nicer hunting than here by the house, but not as much public land. I keep telling myself I'm gonna go over there and hit the ukc hunt at Charlotte, but every time I get fired up to go, my dog seems to do something super stupid the week of the hunt and I end up talking myself out of it! Ha! Told myself next time I get all pumped up to go cause my dog is clicking, I'm not going to hunt no more that week until the competition hunt!

I sent you a pm hillbilly

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We have plenty of coon that go in the ground around here (west central Ohio). At one time I was of the opinion that there was nothing wrong with a dog staying at a hole. Therefore I never broke one of doing it. I wanted my dog to end a coon track wherever it ended be it a hole, an old combine, a building, or elsewhere. Not breaking a dog from holes will cause trouble from a safety standpoint. The best dog I have now has been stuck in bull dozer piles, gone under floors of old buildings, under abandoned vehicles, in field tiles, and one night I dug 5 feet to get him out of a creek bank. From a competition standpoint it wastes time. Without a camera you usually can't find one in a hole ( UKC doesn't allow cameras). 3 dogs at a hole, hellbent on killing a critter, is a recipe for a fight. I'm now of the opinion that it's just not good. I just wish I knew how to break one, lol.

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Only time we have trouble with holes is this time of year when the creeks are low and they go in beaver dens I don't like it might take all night to get them out I never had one bad enough to correct them for it tho.



Hey I am the only dummy that gets to call rob a dummy lol !!

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We have plenty of coon that go in the ground around here (west central Ohio). At one time I was of the opinion that there was nothing wrong with a dog staying at a hole. Therefore I never broke one of doing it. I wanted my dog to end a coon track wherever it ended be it a hole, an old combine, a building, or elsewhere. Not breaking a dog from holes will cause trouble from a safety standpoint. The best dog I have now has been stuck in bull dozer piles, gone under floors of old buildings, under abandoned vehicles, in field tiles, and one night I dug 5 feet to get him out of a creek bank. From a competition standpoint it wastes time. Without a camera you usually can't find one in a hole ( UKC doesn't allow cameras). 3 dogs at a hole, hellbent on killing a critter, is a recipe for a fight. I'm now of the opinion that it's just not good. I just wish I knew how to break one, lol.

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call wild willy .lol

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Originally posted by DFred
We have plenty of coon that go in the ground around here (west central Ohio). At one time I was of the opinion that there was nothing wrong with a dog staying at a hole. Therefore I never broke one of doing it. I wanted my dog to end a coon track wherever it ended be it a hole, an old combine, a building, or elsewhere. Not breaking a dog from holes will cause trouble from a safety standpoint. The best dog I have now has been stuck in bull dozer piles, gone under floors of old buildings, under abandoned vehicles, in field tiles, and one night I dug 5 feet to get him out of a creek bank. From a competition standpoint it wastes time. Without a camera you usually can't find one in a hole ( UKC doesn't allow cameras). 3 dogs at a hole, hellbent on killing a critter, is a recipe for a fight. I'm now of the opinion that it's just not good. I just wish I knew how to break one, lol.

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