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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 09-29-2017 03:37 AM:

Now we're beginning to get somewhere!!! Lol

Posted by rob thompson on 09-29-2017 10:23 AM:

Re: A good coon hound

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Originally posted by Randy Howard
Brains, ability, desire. to be able to take a track as they come, move it out and tree with accuracy. And consistent at it. Independence doesn't hurt either.

consistency I will agree with and an intelligent dog will be more consistent, but I believe the only reason a dog needs to be independent is if they are inferior track dogs. Now a superior track dog that leaves others hung up on slicks or where the track falls apart is not independent but it is smarter.

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 09-29-2017 01:46 PM:

Re: Re: A good coon hound

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Originally posted by rob thompson
consistency I will agree with and an intelligent dog will be more consistent, but I believe the only reason a dog needs to be independent is if they are inferior track dogs. Now a superior track dog that leaves others hung up on slicks or where the track falls apart is not independent but it is smarter.

Exactly

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Posted by Randy Howard on 09-30-2017 03:55 AM:

In-de-pend-ent coon dog

when I say independent. I'm not talking inferior track dogs.
One able to take that track and finish it regardless of what all the other hounds are doing, Be it deep or 100 yards or 50 feet split from the others.
Independent: meaning. 1-Not influenced or controlled by others, thinking and acting for ones self.
2. not influenced by the thought or actions of others
3. not dependent, not depending or contingent upon something else for existence, operation, etc.
4. Not relying on another or others for support.
Independent.
B.A.D. Brains, Ability, Desire, If you have the 1st 3, chances are you'll get the natural independence, which when noticed
Single them out , hunt them alone. That's what I'm breeding for. Pleasure hounds.
I've been blessed with 2 in the last 12 years and hopes of number 3 or 4 with the pups I have now, time will tell.
Main thing is enjoy these hounds and never forget why we started in the first place, the joy of it..

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Posted by Reuben on 09-30-2017 04:26 AM:

Re: In-de-pend-ent coon dog

quote:
Originally posted by Randy Howard
when I say independent. I'm not talking inferior track dogs.
One able to take that track and finish it regardless of what all the other hounds are doing, Be it deep or 100 yards or 50 feet split from the others.
Independent: meaning. 1-Not influenced or controlled by others, thinking and acting for ones self.
2. not influenced by the thought or actions of others
3. not dependent, not depending or contingent upon something else for existence, operation, etc.
4. Not relying on another or others for support.
Independent.
B.A.D. Brains, Ability, Desire, If you have the 1st 3, chances are you'll get the natural independence, which when noticed
Single them out , hunt them alone. That's what I'm breeding for. Pleasure hounds.

PLEASURE HOUNDS...in my mind when breeding pleasure hounds the most important traits to breed for is for brains, nose, desire, the ability to find game fairly quick...the dog should be able to wind and track...prefer the better tracks but willing to take a track necessary to find and tree game...he knows where to look to find game and makes it look easy...of course we all want a dog that will look good in any company and that should be priority in any breeding program...

When breeding a pleasure hunting dog the competition factor is not as important as breeding a hound that can do it all in just about any terrain...

When breeding proven winners in competition hunts then it is not so much about breeding a pleasure hound as much as it is about breeding dogs that win...why is it that Sambo is about the only dog that found a coon and everyone else said there weren't any coons...is there any other logical explanation besides thin to no coons as to why so many dogs didn't find or tree a coon?

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Posted by Randy Howard on 09-30-2017 04:44 AM:

Re: Re: In-de-pend-ent coon dog

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben
PLEASURE HOUNDS...in my mind when breeding pleasure hounds the most important traits to breed for is for brains, nose, desire, the ability to find game fairly quick...the dog should be able to wind and track...prefer the better tracks but willing to take a track necessary to find and tree game...he knows where to look to find game and makes it look easy...of course we all want a dog that will look good in any company and that should be priority in any breeding program...

When breeding a pleasure hunting dog the competition factor is not as important as breeding a hound that can do it all in just about any terrain...

When breeding proven winners in competition hunts then it is not so much about breeding a pleasure hound as much as it is about breeding dogs that win...why is it that Sambo is about the only dog that found a coon and everyone else said there weren't any coons...is there any other logical explanation besides thin to no coons as to why so many dogs didn't find or tree a coon?

10-4 You don't have to convince me, I'm with you man. Brains the ability and the desire to please and end up with the Prize. And yes the cold nose also which goes along with desire. That is why SAMBO trees coons when nothing else could. And doesn't that make him a pleasure LOL.

Posted by Sonny Phipps on 10-01-2017 06:39 PM:

Funny thing is, I dont know that anyone who has answered has ever won a world hunt. How can you tell everyone what it takes if you havent done it?? just my thoughts.

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Posted by 2ol2hunt on 10-01-2017 06:52 PM:

You might not know us all.... I'm just saying...jmo

Posted by lonesomedog1 on 10-01-2017 06:54 PM:

X 2

Posted by Dogwhisper on 10-01-2017 07:02 PM:

Ok .....I'll go with brains as a premium trait.
My ? is which parent throu that trait to influence sambos decision ?
Was the other walker in that finial cast bred like sambos (walker half)..?

Posted by coyote23 on 10-03-2017 05:24 PM:

Sambo

Are they any pictures of him for winning the world hunt like to take a look at him

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Posted by coyote23 on 10-03-2017 05:24 PM:

Sambo

Are they any pictures of him for winning the world hunt like to take a look at him

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Posted by spkennels on 10-08-2017 06:41 AM:

The dog that gets all of his or hers and part of yours thats a winner that is what it takes to win in any kind of coon population

Posted by Rip on 10-08-2017 03:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben

it is very possible that Sambo is a once in a lifetime dog and with fresh blood (hybrid vigor) by being a crossbred, could this enhance Sambos ability in some way?

No coondogs are not in bred enough for a cross breed to have Hybrid Vigor. The inbreeding coefficient is not nearly high enough in our hounds for this to occur. This article is even questioning if it can exist crossing different breeds http://news.vin.com/vinnews.aspx?articleId=29634

Yes if you have many years of inbreeding and you start seeing genetic problems then you could outcross and have hybrid vigor and some improvement, but none of your hounds are inbred enough for this to be an issue, and even if they were I don't know that crossing them on a hound type would be enough of an outcross to make a difference.

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Posted by edwardfasteddy on 10-08-2017 05:59 PM:

So far I have shook my head on all the replies, go back and read the play by play. Seems to me a coon dog would have gotten away from them three and treed a coon. Sambo opened up on the track first and if the other two wouldn't opened the time would have got him, the tree Baby treed on, I here was a leafy oak that the coon could have been there. Another reason they should hunt with the leaves off. Sambo quit a track and came in and drew minus. The Baby got in there and got treed and made a mistake, but at least she was doing something. And what was Sambo doing at that tree standing there. I thought these dogs were all dead loners, some dog would have been getting his ass kicked for that trick. I think he should have been long gone from that tree looking for a coon. I'm only going on what the play by play said, I'm not sugar coating anything, and I'm not trying to start any trouble, it is just the way I'm looking at it. Its just my opinion.

Posted by swamp1 on 10-09-2017 07:40 PM:

Sir

Please. If and if, a leafy tree but coon could have been there,then how did she make a mistake? Maybe just maybe Sam don't back empty trees. Its possible, some dogs don't. Track bark is whole different situation. Was that where mistake was made?

Posted by swamp1 on 10-09-2017 07:54 PM:

Re: Two World Hunt Winner Questions

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Originally posted by Reuben
Question 1.

What type of coon dog does it take to win a world hunt in thick coon?

Question 2.

What type of coon dog does it take to win a world hunt in thin coon?

would like all theories and ideas and past experiences...but lets leave out the luck part...we are talking about dogs that are world class coon dogs...the kind that you wouldn't bet against...

I have my theories but want to hear from everyone...

its more about being in right place at right time and being in right situation I believe. Kinda like you say at end of your post.

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