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I wasn't down there so maybe my opinion doesn't mean much but i think it was a eye opener. It should be there as much as it is any where.

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
About everyone of you that's posting on here didn't even make the finals so please stop telling those of us that did how easy it was. I know a guy from my neck of the woods that his dog treed a coon but had go go 2 miles to Do it and he couldn't be heard. Went home.

This hunt is to crown the world champion in this kennel club. When you make a dog compete against the worst elements possible but yet still require plus points you have a recipe for a lot of angry individuals. I understand thin coon but when dogs stretch out thousands of yards in all directions looking for a coon track then something needs changed. When one coon wins almost every cast it's nothing but pure luck which dog chose the right direction to go. This afterall is coon hunting not dog hunting. A guide in a place like Elberton is everything. They will without question make or break a cast. When 32 dogs fail to see a coon then friends something needs to be chsnged.

There was a reason there was hundreds of less dogs entered in the RQE and Zones. There was a lot of smarter people then me out there.

I am thankful for the Hodt Club and all the UKC staff that worked hard for this to be a smooth event. I just feel that requiring plus points for advancement in the finals is wrong in a place like Elberton. Everyone of those dogs got under countless coons to get to the finals. Let a cast winner tha5 did all it could do with what it was given advance. Dogs just can't invent what's not there.

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Sounds to me like needs to be held here every year! We'd find out who has a hunting DOG!!

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There was a lot of factors in play here as mentioned, some coon don't look , too hot to be moving when dogs turned out, and dogs didn't do there job.a good dog should be able to tree a layup coon if they're​ not down moving, when a dog strikes a track they should be able to finish it, or sometimes its a handler mistake. This hunt was held in a good area with plenty of creeks and crops

I think the people in Georgia done outstanding job and they should have it there again

So, did Sambo just get "lucky" last night? Or was that a true test of who had the coon dog?

One dog scored plus points on every cast all the way through the finals. Thats not luck. Those guys hunt and tree coons down there every night obviously the conditions where not ideal but that's just how it is sometimes. It sucks but try again next year I'm sure it will be up north.

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Maybe the world hunt needs to be down there every two years. I'd bet ten years from now our hounds on avg would be better then they are ttoday

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Hunting down here is tough, no one has ever said it was easy, we're thankful UKC seen it fit to hold the World Championship here. I've been lucky enough to make it to the finals 2 years in a row with the same dog, we were in some good hunting Thursday night we just couldn't find the coons mostly hollow trees and a couple slicks I ended with 875 circle and 150 minus from a slick, the Goomba dog on my cast from Indiana went over 3/4 of a mile and never opened his mouth assuming he was just trying to get by himself and that he did, he fell treed with 2 mins left in the hunt and had a coon he won the cast with 150 plus, my dog was currently treed before we even shined my tree I pulled my dog back and quieted him down so the man handeling Goomba could have the opportunity to hear him which he did and was able to get him treed in before the hunt was over. You win some and you loose some. I learned a long time ago you have to learn to be a good loser before you can ever be a good winner! I hope to see the world championship down here again some day. Sambo is no newbie to the winners circle! He's a nice coondog and deserved the win! Congratulations Sambo, Robbie and Elliot!

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There were a lot of slick or circle trees made in Elberton , some poor dog work, some bad handling, some poor judging etc happens every year no matter where its held , Elberton done a great job and I cant wait till it comes back again

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
About everyone of you that's posting on here didn't even make the finals so please stop telling those of us that did how easy it was. I know a guy from my neck of the woods that his dog treed a coon but had go go 2 miles to Do it and he couldn't be heard. Went home.

This hunt is to crown the world champion in this kennel club. When you make a dog compete against the worst elements possible but yet still require plus points you have a recipe for a lot of angry individuals. I understand thin coon but when dogs stretch out thousands of yards in all directions looking for a coon track then something needs changed. When one coon wins almost every cast it's nothing but pure luck which dog chose the right direction to go. This afterall is coon hunting not dog hunting. A guide in a place like Elberton is everything. They will without question make or break a cast. When 32 dogs fail to see a coon then friends something needs to be chsnged.

There was a reason there was hundreds of less dogs entered in the RQE and Zones. There was a lot of smarter people then me out there.

I am thankful for the Hodt Club and all the UKC staff that worked hard for this to be a smooth event. I just feel that requiring plus points for advancement in the finals is wrong in a place like Elberton. Everyone of those dogs got under countless coons to get to the finals. Let a cast winner tha5 did all it could do with what it was given advance. Dogs just can't invent what's not there.

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In my humble opinion a dog should go find a coon somewhere. Hopefully he don't have to go out of hearing to do it. Unfortunately in real low coon areas this happens regularly.
I do believe that the world hunt should be held somewhere that everyones chance of drawing a guide that can get you in 2 or 3 within earshot is not an issue.

I agree that it takes a coondog to tree coon in those areas but it also takes one to tree 6 if hes put in them. If you've got one that will do both you've got something.
I'm one of those that believes the "luck" factor increases a good bit if theres only one coon to be treed.jmo

We had a world champion here that did all his winning in thin coon. Up here he just couldn't adjust. He would get on a bad old track and wouldn't quit till he had it treed. Coondog? absolutely, but these other dogs would tree 2 or 3 while he was working that bad one.Were they coondogs?absolutely.
He went back south and won another world hunt.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Maybe the world hunt needs to be down there every two years. I'd bet ten years from now our hounds on avg would be better then they are ttoday

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

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Originally posted by elvis

We had a world champion here that did all his winning in thin coon. Up here he just couldn't adjust. He would get on a bad old track and wouldn't quit till he had it treed. Coondog? absolutely, but these other dogs would tree 2 or 3 while he was working that bad one.Were they coondogs?absolutely.
He went back south and won another world hunt.

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Tone it down guys, or they will delete another good topic...

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
About everyone of you that's posting on here didn't even make the finals so please stop telling those of us that did how easy it was. I know a guy from my neck of the woods that his dog treed a coon but had go go 2 miles to Do it and he couldn't be heard. Went home.

This hunt is to crown the world champion in this kennel club. When you make a dog compete against the worst elements possible but yet still require plus points you have a recipe for a lot of angry individuals. I understand thin coon but when dogs stretch out thousands of yards in all directions looking for a coon track then something needs changed. When one coon wins almost every cast it's nothing but pure luck which dog chose the right direction to go. This afterall is coon hunting not dog hunting. A guide in a place like Elberton is everything. They will without question make or break a cast. When 32 dogs fail to see a coon then friends something needs to be chsnged.

There was a reason there was hundreds of less dogs entered in the RQE and Zones. There was a lot of smarter people then me out there.

I am thankful for the Hodt Club and all the UKC staff that worked hard for this to be a smooth event. I just feel that requiring plus points for advancement in the finals is wrong in a place like Elberton. Everyone of those dogs got under countless coons to get to the finals. Let a cast winner tha5 did all it could do with what it was given advance. Dogs just can't invent what's not there.

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Everybody want to think their hunting is toughest.
Facts are..zones where down.lots of good dogs stayed home this year..very few wanted to go to Georgia.
At the world...some guides went to feeder buckets...some didnt.
Some cast never seen a coon. All the dogs there can tree coons..thats established. There are dry holes..anyone who actually hunts their own country ..knows where to tree easy coons..and where the dry holes are.If the southern dogs are so much better at treeing coons..why arent they winning more???
Seems if best dog whens..guys are saying how southern dogs has to tree coons..then it should be a southern dog run away....
Its common sense.. Takes luck...little more luck...money..and a good dog.
Dog is needed last...without money and luck...your not even going to get to world.
Once your there..UKC should do EVERYTHING possible to take ..money and luck out...and put it on the dog...UKC failed in 2017.

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Originally posted by katie millwood
the Goomba dog on my cast from Indiana went over 3/4 of a mile he fell treed with 2 mins left in the hunt and had a coon he won the cast with 150 plus, my dog was currently treed before we even shined my tree I pulled my dog back and quieted him down so the man handeling Goomba could have the opportunity to hear him which he did and was able to get him treed in before the hunt was over.

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Maybe to make the only people that coonhunt happy, ukc should just move the hunt to same place as autumn oaks and the hell with everyone else. Thats why they move it because you northeners arent the only ones who hunt or have the right to hunt, I like hunting anywhere, anytime, hot cold doesn't matter to me. I made it to grand 16 this year at oaks, our cast never seen a coon but did you hear me on here crying about it, NO. Woods were pretty but huge timber with huge undergrowth where you couldn't shine. Just an unlucky draw, that's part of it but I was proud of my dog for making it that far as I know there is a lot that never get the honor. For the one's that didn't go to the rqes or zones just because the hunt was in Georgia then I will tell you all that the true facts is that you knew one of 2 things, 1) your dog didn't have what it takes or 2 you didn't have what it takes to walk behind him in Georgia. Only reason that a man would have for making it through rqe and not show up to zones and so forth. Sorry to hurt your feelings but the truth hurts. A real coonhunter will drop his dog wherever whenever and let him do what should be in him from birth. Not make excuses for him, what it comes down to is people's dogs ain't as good as they think they are. I drove 675 miles Saturday to hunt a dog that looked good Friday night for my buddy and looked like a idiot Saturday night. Fact is the sun don't shine on the same dog's ass two nights in a row. He got beat Fri at zones but my buddy couldn't hunt him Saturday . So I drove 10hrs Saturday morning to give him a chance because if you don't turn them loose they can't win for sure. I come up short but it didn't bother me because there is always next year and another dog. Fellas if you got a COONDOG don't be scared to turn him loose anywhere. Some of you didn't even give your dog a chance so you need to keep your opinions to yourself because they really don't matter. To the ones that caught a bad break or bad draw I'm sorry suck it up, hold your head up and keep turning them loose, if you got a good enough dog he will have his time to shine. Its a bunch of luck. I'm just sick of people making excuses thats what wrong with the whole world today its always someone else's fault. The cast that didn't see a coon should look back at your scorecard and see if your dog struck and treed and if there is a minus beside it because that is either dogs fault or handlers fault. Guide don't make your dog slick tree. My rant is over for now, keep them in the woods fellas

Amen cstjohn !

Hey ctsjohn, in all the points you made you just fail to see the need for having plus points. People weren't scared of flipping their dogs in Georgia, they just knew how poor the chances were that they would actually see a coon.

The UKC is a business first. When the rules set in place forces a third of the participants away by making them compete in a place like this year then bud you have a recipe for disaster. You can mark this down. Next time it a in a place like it was this year participation will be much worse then it already was this year. No reason for people to drive a thousand miles to chase something that's probably not within hearing.

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Here it is I guess yall are taking away sams glory instead of giving him his honor I don't care if he won with 25 plus he is still the world ch and way to go and by the way he didn't care either all that matters is he won I think every final four aught to be dropped in places like that who cares about score if we didn't have jar heads that were shocked and beat to get them away from other dogs (and by the way I like mine to get by itself to but I am happy when I see hounds work together it takes the fastest and best to get the first and first) then we could see them do what they are breed to do and not just foot race out pass up coons and do all the nonsense were descussing right now. Whin cares about 1000 plus cast I want a win score doesn't matter it is about the hound work but I think we are ashamed when our dogs don't bring in 1000 it ain't gona happen every time and I'm not ashamed of mine if coon ain't moving go find one if there thick tree 6 whatever it takes just quit fussing tell sam way to go and do it again next year

Here it is I guess yall are taking away sams glory instead of giving him his honor I don't care if he won with 25 plus he is still the world ch and way to go and by the way he didn't care either all that matters is he won I think every final four aught to be dropped in places like that who cares about score if we didn't have jar heads that were shocked and beat to get them away from other dogs (and by the way I like mine to get by itself to but I am happy when I see hounds work together it takes the fastest and best to get the first and first) then we could see them do what they are breed to do and not just foot race out pass up coons and do all the nonsense were descussing right now. Whin cares about 1000 plus cast I want a win score doesn't matter it is about the hound work but I think we are ashamed when our dogs don't bring in 1000 it ain't gona happen every time and I'm not ashamed of mine if coon ain't moving go find one if there thick tree 6 whatever it takes just quit fussing tell sam way to go and do it again next year

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Its all about a numbers game to some,thats all it is.Look, I treed 6 and shot them out. All it takes is 1 more than other hound and that's what happened. Few years ago awesome won with 200+ in $kc and no moaning about how he did it. So dog you wanted to win didn't, it had its chances just came up short,that's all. They should have beat him to the tree that had that 1 coon in it. Winning by 1 is same as winning by 10, he still won.

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Originally posted by swamp1
Its all about a numbers game to some,thats all it is.Look, I treed 6 and shot them out. All it takes is 1 more than other hound and that's what happened. Few years ago awesome won with 200+ in $kc and no moaning about how he did it. So dog you wanted to win didn't, it had its chances just came up short,that's all. They should have beat him to the tree that had that 1 coon in it. Winning by 1 is same as winning by 10, he still won.

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