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Originally posted by H.W. Moore
Who would own a 50% accurate hound?? Drive 500 miles to try a dog & the 1st night it makes 2 dens & 1 you can't shine. 2nd night trees 3 coons outta 3 trees. Dog is 50% accurate, who'd buy him??

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Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
They exist.

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I hope to own or at least see 1 someday. I've owned at least 40 finished hounds & hunted with hundreds more over the decades including world champs, state champs, truck winners, and countless highly accurate pleasure dogs but never seen 1 at an honest 70%. But I'm a bit of a #s cruncher and believe it's there or it ain't..

me my self wouldn't own a hound that was 50% accurate even the best dog's will miss every now and again if a dog trees 5 trees in a night and no coon in 3 of them it won't stay here

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Originally posted by johnny reb
I'd like too see some of these 80-90% dogs. If a person is completely honest and keeps up with trees for a solif year coon seen or not I'd put $1000- $1 there's not any. There are accurate dogs I've seen dogs make 20-30 trees and not miss but not for a year.

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Originally posted by fullhouse
About 10 years ago i had a direct son of Wessels Wild Casey. He would pound the ground some but I thought was real accurate. I kept track of every tree that dog made from Nov 1st to Feb 28th. No leaves and some good hunting but tough hunting too, especially in Feb. I kept track of over 200 trees. He had a coon 81% of his trees. Another 8% were big legit dens (little squirrel holes counted as slicks).

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Hunting in the deep south through the summer and most of the winter can be tough. Evergreen trees like pines make it hard to find a coon regardless of time of year. Large magnolias are most impossible to find one in when they are in full bloom. I do agree that in most conditions and times, if it is there you will find it, it may just not be inside a comp. hunts allotted shine time. I can remember once that a friend and I were shining a large pine, the tallest one in the branch. We looked and looked, after 20 minutes we left, walked to the trucks, which was up on a hill, looked back toward the tree, some two hundred yards away, and the durn thing is looking at us. We had both decided that it was not there, and the dogs were lying, but we got proved wrong. Makes me wonder how many times my 75% accurate hound was really right and I was just blind. Of course, he was not perfect, and neither are people. I have been pleasure hunting with folks that see one in every tree, but no one else does. Accuracy is all in the eyes of the beholder, and being honest with yourself.

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Originally posted by Mike kelly
I did the same thing with the old dog I hunt one yr! Kept up with coons seen, legit dens, an slicks! Just on coons seen by eye my hound was over 80%! If u ad legit dens he goes over 90%! He's getting old now but I'd say he's still way above 70%! This hound an a red bone/walker/plot/ blue tick/ prob some Shepard that I hunted with as a kid prob some of the most accurate that I ever hunted with night after night! I have culled a couple that prob treed 50% or maybe even a little better!

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I calculated hunt results for 1 year at a club I was Secretary at. At 5 hunts the average was 2 coon per 5 trees. Average winning score was 125. I also added all + & - for every dog who entered and the average was -25..

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Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I hope to own or at least see 1 someday. I've owned at least 40 finished hounds & hunted with hundreds more over the decades including world champs, state champs, truck winners, and countless highly accurate pleasure dogs but never seen 1 at an honest 70%. But I'm a bit of a #s cruncher and believe it's there or it ain't..

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Originally posted by H.W. Moore
I calculated hunt results for 1 year at a club I was Secretary at. At 5 hunts the average was 2 coon per 5 trees. Average winning score was 125. I also added all + & - for every dog who entered and the average was -25..

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Originally posted by swamp1
I told a young fellow just getting into coonhunting about a 3 yr old,first strike,second tree me too walker female,hadn't been hunted much for $100 . he got her,hunted her2 mths took her to state hunt and won it. Lmao.

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Dog A makes 2 trees in 2 hours, 1 coon seen. He is 50%.
Dog B makes 4 trees in 2 hours, 2 coon seen. He is 50%.
Using the allotted 2 hour hunt time, it seems to me that accuracy is subject to a lot of variables.
With the accuracy appearing to be the same. Would you rather have a dog that only missed once, or a dog that missed twice but had two coons? Most think that 50% is unacceptable and 100% is crazy thinking. So where does that leave these two dogs?
2 hours is the amount of time that we use to decide which is the best dog on any given night, so why not use the same time to decide accuracy.

8 minutes per tree to shine.

2 coon in two hours and you're only going to use 16 minutes to look and find them---no wonder that if the eyes aren't seen in 2 minutes it gets circled.

Was on a cast as a spectator in IL, wanted to see 2 stud dogs go (T-Top Rat and Sandy Creek Jake) and all 4 are "blowing" the top out of it. I can't shine so I back up and watch. These guys are burning the leafs off and got planes circling over head wanting to land.
I kept seeing this dark spot on the lowest limb, but they kept shining the top??
After the cast scored the tree with circle points, I asked if they wanted to see the coon at which time I turned on the old wheat light and there he was!!! Kenny Churchill got all mad because I didn't say anything, rules are rules, but after seeing him set and not help others shine the next tree I didn't feel so bad.

" calculated hunt results for 1 year at a club I was Secretary at. At 5 hunts the average was 2 coon per 5 trees. Average winning score was 125. I also added all + & - for every dog who entered and the average was -25.."

With the above being the case, what if the time to shine was made 15 minutes? Would more coon be seen and scored??

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Originally posted by JOSH VAUGHN
There used to be a bitch around here like that. Auto strike and she could cover some territory to get to a treed dog. She rarely had to take 3rd tree no matter how far out she was. You couldn't beat her in pkc with second tree being 25 pts less than first. I drew her 1 time and she had gotten way ahead by covering. Got 175 on my coon and 175 on another guys coon. We had 30 min left and it was just my dog and her left in hunt. I withdrew trying to keep her from potentially knocking one of my friends out of the final 4. I thought she wouldn't be able to score anymore points without my dog doin all the work. I was dead wrong. The bitch treed 2 right by herself and had both. I never figured her out. She had the ability but her ears were just too big.

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
2 coon in two hours and you're only going to use 16 minutes to look

" calculated hunt results for 1 year at a club I was Secretary at. At 5 hunts the average was 2 coon per 5 trees. Average winning score was 125. I also added all + & - for every dog who entered and the average was -25.."

With the above being the case, what if the time to shine was made 15 minutes? Would more coon be seen and scored??

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not sure ALL look for it now,

And maybe it could cause those loosing look harder to fine so they DO have more Hunt time??

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Originally posted by ssgied
Dog A makes 2 trees in 2 hours, 1 coon seen. He is 50%.
Dog B makes 4 trees in 2 hours, 2 coon seen. He is 50%.
Using the allotted 2 hour hunt time, it seems to me that accuracy is subject to a lot of variables.
With the accuracy appearing to be the same. Would you rather have a dog that only missed once, or a dog that missed twice but had two coons? Most think that 50% is unacceptable and 100% is crazy thinking. So where does that leave these two dogs?
2 hours is the amount of time that we use to decide which is the best dog on any given night, so why not use the same time to decide accuracy.

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For all the "old timers" who boo hoo about Comp. hunting.
You can talk about your awesome dog who trees coon every night and does this and that all you want but, until you put that top coondog you've got in the MIX and up against everything else out there you don't have a leg to stand on. 8 out of 10 casts I go on the dog that trees the most coon's with the most style during the allotted time wins and is the best dog on the cast that night. Iv hunted many dogs who could tree coon all night long in the back yard, but you haul that same dog 15 hours to brand new terrian and hunt him along side dogs from all over the country you really see the flaws in that dog that looks so good in the back yard. that's what sets the consistent winners apart. Can they perform in any environment, any conditions, against all competitors? youll never know until you haul em up country.

never ben in a competion hunt in my life and never will have nothing against anybody that does and don't boo hoo about them competion dogs just not my kinda dogs i like dogs that come back and when they tree they have a coon 90 percent of the time thats why i like the red dogs most are honset tree dogs

I'd like to be able to shine 90% of my trees! If I had a magic dog that never missed a coon he'd only be 70-75% accurate in the state's I hunt because of dens & foliage..

they are out there but most are not for sale but the price of dog's like everything else way over priced jmo

Nothing is over priced if it sells.

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only I have been on Comp hunts---TN, WI, MO, IL KY IN and of course MN.

Seen some I would have fed and some that where not worth the shell. But never seen any that I would have traded for.

As someone said, 8 out of 10 casts he sees the best dog win. So that's almost a 1/4 of the time the best dog doesn't???

I like that Walker guy who's dog treed and the "others" couldn't see it so he goes and brings it down---man I would have loved to been on that one.

If you like the game, play it. Just don't try and blow smoke where there's no fire. Tried to many with the big degrees only to be dissatisfied because of, no nose or poor mouth and the one that has me shaking my head WILL NOT TREE!

HAPPY HUNTING or TREE SHINING

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