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Re: is tight the same

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Originally posted by Sawblade
Tony, I said silent dogs get pitched. Is silent the same as tight mouthed. If so than I stand by my statement. If not than we are talking about to different things. You tell me is it the same.

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Oh my goodness, there seems to be a difference of opinion. I guess that one mans tight mouth is another mans silent.

Silent / tight mouth ?

Is this the results of breeding for comp ? Something to keep me too dog's from piggy backing ? Or an opportunity for the dog to get deep and lonely before they tree if not much is moving they could be hard to beat if they have the nose . The outlaw dog i had put out good mouth just had difficulty running a fresh track my deacon daughter ruby was all mouth actually a bit of a babbler more loose then a babble if there's a difference but could burn up a 2 hour track my John Henry grandson pup is a first strike and puts out good mouth and rolls to chop on tree . Funny but i make the kids run around the yard with the pup's chasing them hooting and hollering and they bark right on track after the kids wears them both out . I want no mistake that it was my dog that struck first . Just curious didn't know there was a difference in the two ?

Re: Silent / tight mouth ?

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Originally posted by George pouliott
Is this the results of breeding for comp ? Something to keep me too dog's from piggy backing ? Or an opportunity for the dog to get deep and lonely before they tree if not much is moving they could be hard to beat if they have the nose . The outlaw dog i had put out good mouth just had difficulty running a fresh track my deacon daughter ruby was all mouth actually a bit of a babbler more loose then a babble if there's a difference but could burn up a 2 hour track my John Henry grandson pup is a first strike and puts out good mouth and rolls to chop on tree . Funny but i make the kids run around the yard with the pup's chasing them hooting and hollering and they bark right on track after the kids wears them both out . I want no mistake that it was my dog that struck first . Just curious didn't know there was a difference in the two ?

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two of my best redbones got tighter mouthed with time. They are smart, and realize that the quieter they are, the more coon they catch, and the quicker they tree them. I like a smart hound... which is the biggest reason I hunt redbones as opposed to other breeds.

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Originally posted by qchounds
two of my best redbones got tighter mouthed with time. They are smart, and realize that the quieter they are, the more coon they catch, and the quicker they tree them. I like a smart hound... which is the biggest reason I hunt redbones as opposed to other breeds.

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I know of no particular line of redbones that is 100% one way or the other. I am constantly seeking out Balance in the dogs I breed to and while some lines are pretty consistent about producing mostly open moth dogs or mostly tight mouth dogs...you will always find examples contrary to that "norm".
I agree that some tight mouth dogs are bred that way...but also agree some learned to be tight mouth over time because they are intelligent enough to adapt and become better at catching coons...or at least coming very close many times. Not much can be done about a dog learning that being tight will get them closer to their quarry...but I think overall this accounts for a small percentage. You can win with an open mouth dog or a tight mouth dog...if they are good at what they do....but for me, a tight mouth dog is a liability in top level competition. By hunting one...you are leaving points on the table to be picked up by another dog...and at the end of the night...every point counts. If all things are equal....except strike....the dog who gets the strike will outscore one who doesn't.
But all things are rarely ever equal...so many times a tight mouth dog who makes few mistakes and stays clean will win over a well balanced dog who makes even a single mistake during a 2 hrs hunt. I have seen the best of both types....and hunted both types....but deep down, I know that I would choose a well balanced, solid honest hound over a tight mouthed hound to take to a top level competition event every time...because score matters and a balanced hound has the ability to score a few more points if all the completion is pretty comparable.

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He one about every pkc hunting put in I've had tight mouth dogs my whole life I prefer them the one I've owned seem have better mouths

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I've got a female now that is silent on track but is 90 % accurate and chop on tree pressure tree dog i actually really like to hunt her cause it won't be long she'll be treed and have the meat I'll let the up coming hunts decide win or lose she's silent but deadly

Last 3 dogs I started.

I have seen this for awhile. The past few years I have started several young dogs. All would leave you and tree a coon solo. Two out of the three ended up being very tight. One was silent. I thought maybe it was something I was doing in starting them. Found that not to be the case. The two that were very tight was off the same line on both sides. The other had it on one side. I think it is a trait in that line. I will say time of year and area that you hunt affects this also. I am hunting a female that can be very tight solo. When with dogs first to second strike. Depending on track after She opens you may hear mouth and you may not till she gets to the treed. I live in Sothern IN as far as you can get. 18 miles from Louisville KY. I don't have coon like up north. It's hills around me. Certain times of year like right now. There aren't a lot of running tracks. You will make short tracks to trees. A lot of dogs won't open on these especially older dogs with company. Late December around here Coon go into a phase or something and it's seems that you just make short tracks or just fall treed. Several things play a factor in dogs and opening and staying open. I will agree over the years of hunting Redbones I haven't had that first strike dog. It's more common to have 3 or 4. I have hunted two out more than I want to count that didn't make the cut for strike. I am trying to change that. I will say Banjo blood, Sawbalde blood. Will get you more open. From what I have seen.
Good Luck this year.

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You have a lot less company on the tree with a tighter mouth dog, I have drew a couple redbones that didn't open good on track they tracked the other dogs and barked all the way to the other dogs tree. Don't think the handlers knew the difference. In rough hunting a first strike dog will get some minus around here.

If we were in the sport of running coons and not treeing coons I would want a dog the opened more on track. JMO. I want guys that draw my dog to be scratching there head seeing coon after coon not seeing if my first strike second tree dog would back there dog on a tree. Win or loose I like to see 125s in the tree colum in my section of the score card! If they had a count down on tree like the other KCs how many of these open mouth red dogs would still big?

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Oh my goodness, I thought that we were in the sport of running and treeing coons? Are we supposed to have coon hounds or tree dogs. What I hate to see is a dog that just runs straight through a woods until he hits a hot track and then just falls treed. Is that coonhunting? I also can't stand a dog that just follows along with a dog that works a track and then his handler knows to strike and tree him on one bark when the other dog did all of the work and found the tree. There are me too track dogs also.

Tite mouth

I would much rather have a bark on track and tree dog most that I've had put out alot of mouth but were not as high percentage as her so far . Maybe i started with the wrong dog's or just haven't had a good one yet i am excited to see how the hunts turn out i don't pitch and i don't strike and tree on first bark she may hit a tree open circle it and carry on to the next then get treed she's not easily fooled but she's honest .yall know the drill dog will make a liar out of ya when you least expect it lol it's all in fun forget the fame prodouce coondogs that prodouce the meat and and step the red dog's up and above the walker dog level . Less slick trees and bigger mouths gets tiring looking at leave !!!