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Originally posted by James Garrison
Ole Cas Walker sure had a lot of good dogs.

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Most dogs today can't run a track 10 minutes old !!! And everyone says these totals of this and that well here I think Is the key and it's not rocket science !! If you have a dog with enough brains and nose to finish 98% of the tracks he or her opens on and starts and finish those tracks with a coon the majority of the time and disreguard what any and all others dogs are doing then my friend you will have a winner !!! Where're it's a cold nosed dog that knows how to work one are a run thruthecountry wide open and banging those pop ups quick and fast!!! Both dogs will win there share !!! Easier said then done and most that do that a lot of people don't take a second look at because they are almost boring when you hunt them they don't scream thru the country and have allege els and whistles they just do there job consistantly !!! I might be wrong but if people judged there dogs to a tee as they would be judged in a hunt when they were preparing I would hope a lot would quite going to the comp hunts u tilt here dogs are ready!!!

Next time you take your young dogs out if he barks in the distance one time strike him put the clock on him !! The 6 might get him, if he comes back to you he is minuses etc.. Etc... If you train with those things in mind I think we will see why 125 plus wins so many hunts in places with thick coon and thin coon !! A top coon dog when broke is what I call boring to hunt when they are finished but it sure takes a lot of time to get one there !!! And the hardest is getting a dog to where they finish 98% of the tralckers they open on and having a heartbeat in the end !!!

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I have been out coon hunting for a while and have been trying to get back in but to no avail can find a dog that suits me.. I'm told that I'm to picky cause I want a dog to get gone get struck and not stand on its head and get under a coon.... One thing that surprises me this day is you go try a dog that is supposed to be the (real deal) and he barks 50 times in 60 yards and the dogs owner says he is pulling fur on that one...... I hate to be the one to tell em if your walking keeping up with a dog he isn't running he is walking too.... I think we have bred for tree dogs instead of track which is where it all starts. Just my opinion and everyone has one.

I like a dog that drifts a bad track I like a dog that does it in a manner that with lesser track dogs time they get to where he last barked he ain't there no more he is a 100 to 200 yrds ahead of them then slams treed on them that's a coon dog all this other stuff not so much.

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Seth Jacks, i would love to answer your question. I have hunted several things with these dogs over the years and DEER has been one of them. Funny thing is most of my deer dogs had Coon Hound blood mixed with fox hound blood. It worked for me and gave me real track dogs. First the land we hunt can be fairly large and what we would do it the night before drag the roads. Some blocks are large and some are small. Then the next morning anywhere from 4 to 5 am we ride the roads looking for deer tracks crossing. We mark the tracks and then decide which ones to run. I am not a big fan of this but this is the way the group hunted. I just like to cast my dogs but that is another story. Anyway when you see a nice track and get it marked you go around the block to see if it had come out. If it did you then drive the next block to see if it crossed out of that one. Some of these blocks are very large. One morning about 3 hours after we marked a track we set up around the block and put the dogs on the track. Thing is I had checked one side on the back and missed where the deer had already come out. When the dogs struck they headed straight for me sounding like the deer was right in front of them. Guy around there with me had a couple dogs in there not saying anything and told me those dogs were running hot and with his not running it wasn't a deer. They crossed right by me but the deer had already been gone, I just missed the track or we would have check that block to see if it came out. His dogs were following the track dogs and he couldn't believe it. We finally caught up to the deer a few blocks over. These dogs ran that deer like they were looking at but the truth is it was long gone. Now I know coon hunters talk outstanding breeding. I had a male out of Hardwood Dan that wan't much on track and barely opened. He bred a fox hound gyp I had that in all honesty should have been culled. Two of those pups we raised were the ones running this deer and half the litter made outstanding deer hounds and were cold nosed and track drivers. They only had to do one thing and that is run a track but they did it well. One male was short on hunt after the first turn out or so but they were good deer dogs.
I have used better blooded coonhounds on deer over the years than many people have on coon. Male directly out of Houses Tom Tom. Night champion but would run a deer so I let him run some during deer season. I had a female back then actually two directly out of the ORIGINAL Balls Harry dog who sired BOZO. I got a male pup out of WC Handsome Hank that was beautiful, big mouth, hunt good, run good but would not look up a tree. I have climbed trees with a coon in the cage trying to get him to look up. He would not. But he would run a deer. I had a female directly out of Hardwood Swamp actually two over the years that done nice on deer. I had one directly out of Hayes, JR that made a nice deer hound while I kept her sister on coon and she made the final cast of the SS in about 2002 or so. I raised all these from pups. I sometimes I wish I still deer hunted. With these Wipeout Hounds and the Garmin we could pile them up. Thing is I don't eat deer and I only did it for the enjoyment of the hound and the enjoyment of having better hounds. Not that interested in killing one anymore actually coon either. I don't think the dogs need them. Some pups do but after that your just wasting coon I can train another dog with.
I will be the first to admit if your a fox hunter and all the speed of the foxhounds is what you want. Then stick to fox hounds. You want track driving deer hounds then a little coon hound blood is the secret.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
I like a dog that drifts a bad track I like a dog that does it in a manner that with lesser track dogs time they get to where he last barked he ain't there no more he is a 100 to 200 yrds ahead of them then slams treed on them that's a coon dog all this other stuff not so much.

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Originally posted by CHEWBACH
odam my dream dog!! 14 coon in 17 nts!! don't average 1 coon a nite!!lol

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I witnessed a dog not long ago beat on at track for an hour.I walked up on that that dog and shined my light on it.It was pushing the weeds around with its nose and barking every 10ft.I said bud what do you think he's running?He said that's one cold coon track.😜.If I can walk faster than the dog is tracking it's not doing it right.I think a lot of dogs will run any track they smell till they cross a coon then switch.Some don't know the difference.

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Originally posted by ssgied
If treeing coons is your only objective, then I agree with what you have said. If the manner your dog trees coons is your objective, then I have a different view. I personally would much rather hear my dog work an old acorn feed track across three ridges and tree a coon that hasn't been down in hours, than tree five pop up coons. The way a dog works an old bad track is way more important to ME than numbers. I think this kind of dog has to have a good nose and more important the brains to use it. I also think that this type of hound is fading fast, as most people tend to base a dogs ability as a coon hound solely on the number of coons treed and not in the manner treed.

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Originally posted by ssgied
If treeing coons is your only objective, then I agree with what you have said. If the manner your dog trees coons is your objective, then I have a different view. I personally would much rather hear my dog work an old acorn feed track across three ridges and tree a coon that hasn't been down in hours, than tree five pop up coons. The way a dog works an old bad track is way more important to ME than numbers. I think this kind of dog has to have a good nose and more important the brains to use it. I also think that this type of hound is fading fast, as most people tend to base a dogs ability as a coon hound solely on the number of coons treed and not in the manner treed.

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i can't even stand to read this post. guys babbling about dogs noses that don't have a clue what a cold nose dog is ! how many of you ever waited 3 hours till your dog got treed and had the coon night after night rain snow cold didn't matter. i could count on one hand the nights i didn't bring home a coon all season long. now mind you he could do it quick as well. he just didn't go a mile to get struck and anybody that says there dog can drift a bad track that doesn't mean its a cold. one thing all cold nose dogs i've seen is there nose is on the ground until it warms up !

No confusion for me , I hunt a old school new fangled style dog ,, He knows when to run the cold tracks ,, and He knows when to light em up , and Im smart enough to know when and what hes running ,,

the confusion is with the owners who don't know the differences

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Originally posted by groworg1
i can't even stand to read this post. guys babbling about dogs noses that don't have a clue what a cold nose dog is ! how many of you ever waited 3 hours till your dog got treed and had the coon night after night rain snow cold didn't matter. i could count on one hand the nights i didn't bring home a coon all season long. now mind you he could do it quick as well. he just didn't go a mile to get struck and anybody that says there dog can drift a bad track that doesn't mean its a cold. one thing all cold nose dogs i've seen is there nose is on the ground until it warms up !

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If I ever had to listen to my dog run for 3 hour to make 1 tree.Id take up another hobby.I was hunting state ground lastnight.The dogs had a good long cornfield race that lasted about 10 mins and had the meat.Thats long enough for me.

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Originally posted by Jackson87
If I ever had to listen to my dog run for 3 hour to make 1 tree.Id take up another hobby.I was hunting state ground lastnight.The dogs had a good long cornfield race that lasted about 10 mins and had the meat.Thats long enough for me.

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Originally posted by Jackson87
If I ever had to listen to my dog run for 3 hour to make 1 tree.Id take up another hobby.I was hunting state ground lastnight.The dogs had a good long cornfield race that lasted about 10 mins and had the meat.Thats long enough for me.

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Originally posted by Well Started
10-4. We're not looking for Bigfoot. Coon should be plentiful enough that a dog with some sense can pass up something it can't trail faster than a walk. If decent coon tracks are that rare then I still need to take up a different hobby.

Again I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment, but I don't see the point when several coon could be treed in the same time in the same woods.

Medium nosed for me. Get a tougher feeder track worked out and rolling without standing on their head starting out. I've seen some and owned 1 "cold nosed" dog. Not for me when it comes to what I hunt.

If this was a bobcat or bear thread then in some parts of the country we are talking a different story.

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Very confused on what you are trying to say, I like a good track dog that can tree any kind of coon, a yard or a mile through the country. I like one that can work out a old feed track or tree a layup coon, IMO that is a good cold nose dog or great track dog whatever you boys wanna call it, not one that spends excessive time on the ground. & Brains, brains to me has nothing to do with treeing a coon or running a track. Brains can't make a dog capable of treeing a layup coon, running a feed track.. I have got one that is half crazy, she is no where near being intelligent nor have I ever, never ever have I seen her show any form of intelligence. She is ignorant, smarts does not define her, she is a coon treeing idiot. Many others I have hunted with, show no form of smarts that are the same way as mine.
She can flat trail a feed track just as she can tree a hot one & she can tree any of them in short order, QUICK, FAST, & in a hurry. So, In my own mind Brains has nothing to do with treeing coons and being a good track dog but what do I know!

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Originally posted by cain99
Very confused on what you are trying to say, I like a good track dog that can tree any kind of coon, a yard or a mile through the country. I like one that can work out a old feed track or tree a layup coon, IMO that is a good cold nose dog or great track dog whatever you boys wanna call it, not one that spends excessive time on the ground. & Brains, brains to me has nothing to do with treeing a coon or running a track. Brains can't make a dog capable of treeing a layup coon, running a feed track.. I have got one that is half crazy, she is no where near being intelligent nor have I ever, never ever have I seen her show any form of intelligence. She is ignorant, smarts does not define her, she is a coon treeing idiot. Many others I have hunted with, show no form of smarts that are the same way as mine.
She can flat trail a feed track just as she can tree a hot one & she can tree any of them in short order, QUICK, FAST, & in a hurry. So, In my own mind Brains has nothing to do with treeing coons and being a good track dog but what do I know!

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Originally posted by groworg1
a couple years ago the purina chase dogs came to town i guided and judged 2 hours 3 tree's 1 coon seen (leaves off) 1 circle 1 slick 3 mile walk now if you think i was impressed you would be wrong !

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Maybe my dog is smarter then I give him credit for lol

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Originally posted by Well Started
I wouldn't be either. But those results has anything to do with whether they're hot nosed, cold nosed, and the manner in which they run a track, how?

Not sure how that proves anything about advantages of cold nosed. If 1 dog trees slick and another makes you walk a mile to look at a den, then that's either low dog power or coons were not moving, or a combination of the 2. You're saying a dog that trees slick and another that can only come up with a den is somehow a result of being hot nosed? I'm confused.

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I owned a dog once when I was a youngster that you could've built a fire, roast some hot dogs, go back home for fresh coffee, and maybe you wouldn't have to wait much longer when you came back to hear him come on a tree.

He could roll a good track at a respectable pace, but he seemed to love to rattle the leaves working out those extra tough ones. Maybe wouldn't of minded it so much if you looked at a coon at the end, but a high % of the time you were looking at a den.

There are dogs that can take a truly cold track, drift it and cover tremendous distance and be treed with the coon in 20 minutes. I personally have never ran into that dog. They look like a snooze fest way too often when trying to run old and cold stuff. Good medium nosed dogs on tougher feeder tracks, different story.

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Brains and intelligence covers the part of being trainable and you train one to come sit stay heel etc... Tone break etc....that is intelligence and not walking in the crap and leaking in there water buckets a,, that a unintelligent dog to me !! There coon treeing ability or lack of is born in them not trained !, you can adjust things here and there but you can't train one that doesn't have the it factor !!imo