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Posted by ahallada on 07-07-2016 06:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rob Farr
The crosses Terry Hayes and I made on Gr. Nite Ch. Hayes Ramblin Red Ace and Gr. Ch. Hayes Ramblin Red Kate produced 1982 American Redbone Champion Gr. Ch. Nite Ch. Hayes Ramblin Red Vader, 1982 U.S. Redbone Champion Ch. Nite Ch. Todds Traveling Tracks, 1985 American Redbone Champion Ch. Nite Champion Hayes Ramblin Red Hot, 1987 National Redbone Opposite Sex Redbone Champion Ch. Nite Champion Elburns Ky. Kate. Also The cross on kate and Hennings Chief produced produced 1987 American Redbone Opposite Sex Champion Grand Nite Champion Hoffmeisters Red Brandy. There might have been more out of other females but these are the ones out of Kate.

Man that was a good cross Rob.

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1991 American Redbone Days Champion
1992 AKC World Champion Redbone
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1992 National Redbone Days Champion

Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Ambraw River Rock
(Gr.Nt.Ch. Timber Jack x Gr.Ch.Nt.Ch. Hersh's Huntin Red Kate)
1992 US Redbone Days Opposite Sex

Nt.Ch. Tree Bustin Annabelle
1986 American Redbone Days All Red Hunt Winner

Nt.Ch. Timber Mace
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(Gr.Nt.Ch.Timber Jack x Gr.Nt.Ch. Outlaw Jessie)

Gr. Ch. Nt. Ch. Squaw Mountain Goldie
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1990 Autumn Oaks Best of Show Winner
1988 Indiana State Champion

Posted by Rob Farr on 07-07-2016 06:31 AM:

Yes Allen it was. These pups were out of two Hall of Fame hounds but you and I know they have to find their way to the right hunters to reach their potential. Back in the 80's how could you beat guys like Terry Hayes, H.A. Todd, Curtis Elburn and Harold Hoffmeister! Lol..

Posted by Sawblade on 07-07-2016 10:56 AM:

wow

Sire side or dam side hmmm could it be the most winners came from one momma not one dad.

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Posted by ahallada on 07-07-2016 02:45 PM:

Re: wow

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
Sire side or dam side hmmm could it be the most winners came from one momma not one dad.

It's hard to argue with the breeding success of Ramblin Red Ace. I remember an article where I believe Travis Thomas or Ether Smith said I believe you could have bred Ace to a poodle and produced tree dogs. He definitely kept this breed going in the 70s. There were too many big name stud dogs that produced 1000s of pups and very few made anything. Ace had the highest reproducing percentage of any dog in that era including Timber Jack. He was the only stud that stood in the way of TJ being number 1. Timber Chopper passed this ability to reproduce to both of these dogs.

I believe that today there are females like the Moonlight Kate female with so much concentrated TC genetics that they can dominate the traits of a litter. We are seeing that with Shane Maxey's Breanna female. Kate had TC 22 times so Breanna is stacked with this winning blood being a half sister / brother cross from Kate. Breanna has TC about 50 times. Breeding her to Aftershock added another TC 30x. The Cat female we are hunting now is from this cross. That's the reason females like Kate, Pepper Ann , and Breanna are on the Reproducers list. These females are genetic TC popcorn poppers.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-07-2016 03:29 PM:

So TJ produced 3: Girl, Max and Page? Ace produced 3: Vadar, Red Hot and Ky Kate? Any more studs who have produced 3 or more American or National Redbone Days Overall Champions or Opposite Sex Champions?

I can't believe that y'all are talking about Timber Jack and Rambling Red Ace in the same thread as Montana Red Mountain Ranger. Will we still be talking about Ranger and his offspring 30 yrs from now?

Posted by ahallada on 07-07-2016 03:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
So TJ produced 3: Girl, Max and Page? Ace produced 3: Vadar, Red Hot and Ky Kate? Any more studs who have produced 3 or more American or National Redbone Days Overall Champions or Opposite Sex Champions?

I can't believe that y'all are talking about Timber Jack and Rambling Red Ace in the same thread as Montana Red Mountain Ranger. Will we still be talking about Ranger and his offspring 30 yrs from now?

TJ offspring won 7 Overall or Opp Sex. Champions between 4 dogs.
Ace produced at least 4 and I think more. Pretty sure Ralph won Redbone Days in 1988.

Might want to check the Razor Red crowd for his offspring.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-07-2016 03:38 PM:

Re: wow

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
Sire side or dam side hmmm could it be the most winners came from one momma not one dad.

I wasn't counting US or Southern Redbone Days. I was only looking at the two main ones, American and National. But I do find it really amazing that we are talking about and comparing Ranger's offspring to Timber Jack and Ace's offspring.

Kelly, it looks like you need to start a thread to see which mommas produced the most Champions. But then someone will probably just say it was because of the momma's Sire. But you could also argue that it was because of the Sire's momma. I wonder how much of Ace's success had to do with Ramblin Red Kate? Does anyone know what Ranger's momma produced? I don't know for sure but I think that all 4 of Ranger's Champion offspring came from 4 different mommas.

Posted by ahallada on 07-07-2016 04:02 PM:

Re: Re: wow

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Kelly, it looks like you need to start a thread to see which mommas produced the most Champions. But then someone will probably just say it was because of the momma's Sire. But you could also argue that it was because of the Sire's momma. I wonder how much of Ace's success had to do with Ramblin Red Kate? Does anyone know what Ranger's momma produced? I don't know for sure but I think that all 4 of Ranger's Champion offspring came from 4 different mommas.

So true Richard. I'm not about to say that the success of a litter has to do with the mom or the dad. It's really both. But a concentrated well bred female will make a big difference in any cross. Burning Ben produced 8 GrNtCh and 5 of those came from Timber Jack daughters that were heavily line bred on TC. There really are some exceptional crosses that just worked like Ace X Kate and TJ X Jessie and many others. Jessie produced well on two heavily line bred TC males , TJ and Ben. When she was outcrossed she didn't produce. Now Moonlight Kate is a different type female. She was bred so tight and concentrated on TC that she was going to throw this trait in every litter she produced. It's all about the concentration of reproducing genes. TJ, Ben, Ace all were heavily concentrated TC males. Razor Red is another heavily concentrated Ace / TC bred dog and the reason he leads the Reproducers list. Find me a female that is heavily concentrated in TC blood and I'll show you a female that is capable of producing big time winners. Kate, Ky Kate, Bree, Trip, Pistol, Cat and littermates are some that I know of right now.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-07-2016 04:37 PM:

How much Timber Chopper does Ranger have. "In my opinion" most guys today only look back 3 or 4 generations and don't really care how much concentrated Ace, TC or TJ blood a dog has in their pedigree. They are looking for Ranger, T-Top, Kate, Pepper, Outlaw or Rusty Red etc.

Posted by mmarshall on 07-07-2016 05:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Thanks Chad, that is some list. And yes Ky Ranger is dead. Someone must have some frozen semen stored on him.
I wonder what kind of pups you would get if someone bred the Overall Opposite Sex Champion from American Redbone Days this year to Montana Red Mountain Ranger semen?

Richard I think your thinking of little man that is dead man piggy and ky ranger was full brother and sisters but diff litters Doug Moore owned all three gave Danny man sold ranger and piggy ky ranger was very young when Doug won red days with him Doug only sold him because he was offered crazy $$

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Posted by jkhutch on 07-07-2016 06:44 PM:

Who is this guy and what dog is he holding????

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Posted by sox12 on 07-08-2016 02:41 AM:

I am pretty particular when I breed a female they have to perform in hunting and not a brood female,then I start studying pedigrees to vauleate the potential of the cross being made what would this maybe produce or increase the hunt, voice,speed and drive in the pups that they will produce with that cross,i am starting to look for a sire on one of my females now don't no when I am going to breed her yet

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-08-2016 03:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mmarshall
.... man, piggy and ky ranger was full brother and sisters but diff litters Doug Moore owned all three.....

No wonder I am so confused. That Moore guy has sure owned and started a bunch of nice dogs.

Jared, where in the world did you find that picture. That was when Ranger beat out a bunch of spotted dogs to win Gr Nt Ch at Walker Days of all places.

I am going to have to call UKC and get a 15 gen pedigree to see how many times Timber Chopper shows up in Wendy's pedigree. I have just been counting Rabble and Sally.

George, when I decided to breed Wendy this last time I didn't look at any pedigrees. I just picked a Sire that I liked and whose offspring seemed to be doing pretty good. I figured that Wendy would do the rest.

I also knew that Moore guy had picked Ranger for all of his pups and that Mr Marshall had picked Ranger to breed Kate to for her last litter. That Hyde guy also bred his nice females to Ranger and did pretty well. Now those guys know a lot more about this than I do so how could I go wrong? I have already told y'all what a copycat I am. I just jumped on the bandwagon when I got the chance.

Posted by ahallada on 07-09-2016 02:27 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
No wonder I am so confused. That Moore guy has sure owned and started a bunch of nice dogs.

I am going to have to call UKC and get a 15 gen pedigree to see how many times Timber Chopper shows up in Wendy's pedigree. I have just been counting Rabble and Sally.

Might be better off DNA testing her. lol

Posted by Richard Lambert on 07-09-2016 02:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by ahallada
Might be better off DNA testing her. lol

Yeah, I can only personally vouch for 7 generations. Beyond that, I don't really know. But I don't think that they had any DNA records back then.

Oh my goodness, so 3 of Ranger's Champions have come from Sawblade females? And they were all owned/started by Mr Doug Moore? I wonder if I could get him to start one of my Ranger X Wendy pups?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-30-2016 02:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
.....Will we still be talking about Ranger and his offspring 30 yrs from now?

.......Oh my goodness....

Posted by Sawblade on 09-30-2016 11:14 PM:

Don't forget Woody

Richard I think you forgot one ,I believe that makes 4.

Posted by Sawblade on 09-30-2016 11:14 PM:

Don't forget Woody

Richard I think you forgot one ,I believe that makes 4.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 10-01-2016 12:34 AM:

Has any other stud sired 2 UKC World Champion Redbone s?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-23-2019 12:37 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
So I can't believe that y'all are talking about Timber Jack and Rambling Red Ace in the same thread as Montana Red Mountain Ranger. Will we still be talking about Ranger and his offspring 30 yrs from now?

Oh my goodness, it hasn't been 30 yrs but we are still talking about Ranger's offspring. Wade, one of his pups placed on Friday night at American Days last week. There may still be a couple of Ranger Overall Champions to come. Will there be a #5 or #6? Or how many UKC World Champion Redbones will he produce?

Posted by rick golden on 06-24-2019 10:31 AM:

Yearling outta Ranger

Greg Carver that owned the Dawson dog outta Kevin�s Buster dog has a yearling outta Ranger that is making a very nice dog. He�s gotta mouth on him too!!! His mother is Shane�s Grand Nite Cherry Bomb female I believe

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Posted by rick golden on 06-24-2019 10:36 AM:

Ranger

Ranger & his Daddy was raised and trained in one of the toughest places to coon hunt there is. Straight up and down clear cut down Timber briar thickets mine breaks and big snakes south eastern Ky. In fact the guy that trained Ranger has just got his young male outta Woody a snake shot. I didn�t even know there was such a thing.

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Posted by DCorbin on 06-24-2019 11:14 AM:

Re: Yearling outta Ranger

quote:
Originally posted by rick golden
Greg Carver that owned the Dawson dog outta Kevin�s Buster dog has a yearling outta Ranger that is making a very nice dog. He�s gotta mouth on him too!!! His mother is Shane�s Grand Nite Cherry Bomb female I believe

Rick,

I didn�t see that cross advertised, if that�s the case that�s one heck of well bred pup. Cherry Bomb has done her fair share of winning, I�d love to possibly hunt with that dog and possibly breed to him. Shane sure has done a good job with Cherry Bomb, and ranger has sired some of the biggest winning UKC world hunt redbones in recent years.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-24-2019 01:52 PM:

Rick, do you still have Timber? Will he be at National Redbone Days?

Posted by rick golden on 06-24-2019 03:58 PM:

Natl Days

My older sister is really sick and I hate to leave and something happen it�s pancreatic cancer. I just don�t feel right taking off with her sick and in such bad shape. I told Doug if I don�t get on the ball and get Timber back in the game I�m going to have to let someone else do it. He�s too nice of a dog to sit. Timber is such a good tempered dog and is accurate as can be. He deserves to be finished out and Ran in the hunts. How many breedings did you get off Justin. I called him and he said you beat me to them lol. Those should be some nice pups. When does she come in or have you made the cross yet???

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