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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 05-20-2016 06:07 PM:

For the 100th time get rid of the min. Easier to judge em when you can still see em. Wasn't a problem til they let em do it for a min on every drop.

Striking everything the same ain't the answer I like a good strike and track dog.

25 years ago if your dog babbled you either broke it,left it home or lost its really that simple. Make the rule the same as the slam rules and watch em disappear.

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Posted by thomasg on 05-20-2016 07:30 PM:

25 across the board.what a joke.if you want to make it a even contest give them all 125.that way you can get the slick treeing idiots in the dog box and gone faster.lol tired of the babbling dogs and cover dogs beating you all the time. get a dog that puts fur in the tree

Posted by rob thompson on 05-20-2016 07:41 PM:

Dumbest post yet!

Posted by Rocketman55 on 05-20-2016 11:59 PM:

How many people would like to see a dog that just runs through the woods to get away from the other dogs and tree a hot easy coon get tree points only? They are real tree dogs so they should only get tree points. Some people pride themselves on their deep and lonely tree dogs so why should these dogs get any strike points? Aren't strike points supposed to be awarded for working a track. Why don't we call them track points instead of strike points? Babblers are just "striking", they aren't tracking. I agree they should not get points for "striking". Why can't we just award track points to the dog that works a track? "Tree dogs" should only get tree points. Instead of taking track points away from the "track dogs" that tree coons, we should be taking track points away from the "tree dogs" that don't work a track. Now how about that idea?

MR LAMBERT, IN MY OPINION YOU HAVE OFFERED THE MOST FAIR RULE PROPOSAL I HAVE SEEN TO DATE ON THIS SUBJECT.

JUST AS (SOME SAY) IT IS VERY EASY TO TELL WHEN A DOG IS BABBLING, IT IS EVEN EASIER TO TELL WHEN A DOG IS ONLY BARKING WHEN IT IS LOOKING UP THE LUMBER. THOSE TYPE DOGS SHOULD NOT GET STRIKE POINTS IF ALL THEY ARE COMMITTING TO IS BARKING UP THE TREE.

FOR THOSE THAT LIKE THE IDEA OF ELIMINATING FIRST STRIKE, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ELIMINATE ANY/ALL STRIKE POINTS ON A DOG THAT HAS ONLY OPENED ON A TREE??? YEP IT WOULD TAKE A STRONG JUDGE TO ENFORCE IT BUT THER ARE OUT THERE. SOME CAN EVEN TELL WHEN A DOG IS OPENING ON JUNK, RUNNING OTHER DOGS, FOX,RABBIT, ETC. SO SURELY THEY CAN TELL WHEN A DOG IS LOOKING UP!!

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-21-2016 12:46 AM:

Is this argument ever going to end ? If you like a babbling dog get you one hunt it and be proud ! But don't expect everybody to like it because you do if you get beat by a tight mouth dog what you are essentially saying is I am pissed because your tight mouthed coon treer didn't give enough mouth for my me too mouthy dog to follow it and get undeserved points just sayen.

Posted by groworg1 on 05-21-2016 01:42 AM:

no strike just tree that way us with silent dogs can compete there's nothing out there ! there not curs fancy bred walkers that only bark tree that's what i got not about to waste my money breaking honor rules or taking last strike that is really a tree bark maybe the ukc needs a silent division

Posted by Cry Tough Blues on 05-21-2016 02:43 AM:

Millenials are coonhunting now. I say if you don't win at least pass out participation ribbons or something. Lmao

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Posted by Bryan Faircloth on 05-21-2016 11:50 AM:

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Dumbest post yet!

Nobody asked you to comment on anything. If you didn't like the post you should of kept scrolling. Negative 2 cents like this is not welcome here. People like this just want to be recognized..... SMH

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Posted by rob thompson on 05-21-2016 12:33 PM:

Well it was sorry if I offended you. Just think about this on a 4 dog cast what the guy said doesn't matter how much fur is in the tree! The solution is a faster strike dog and then that doesn't matter because the fastest strike dog I've seen couldn't out strike a babbler!lol it's just tough to beat babbling dogs that cover.

Posted by JiM on 05-21-2016 02:02 PM:

I don't feel like this issue has anything to do with winning, loosing or beating a babbler that covers. The thing I hate about the current strike/babble rules is that we are rewarding these dogs with 100 points for doing nothing more than opening their mouths. When you reward the loose mouth, you promote the loose mouth. That is what the current rules promote and that is why you see it so much.

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-21-2016 02:20 PM:

Jim besides the winning and loosing part I just don't like a mouthy dog I pleasure hunt more than I hunt in hunts I like to send my dog from the truck get out my coffee jug when they get struck you can tell by the way they are working the track if it is hot or cold ect work it up just about the time you think it's going to have to climb or die comes that big ole locate you walk in to the tree there he is that's coon hunting all the other stuff not so much jmo.

Posted by Billy Beckham on 05-21-2016 03:01 PM:

How many would like for grown men to show up and hunt and stop whining, crying & questioning everything?

Just have you and your dog READY for the **** hunt!

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Posted by msinc on 05-21-2016 03:21 PM:

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How many would like for grown men to show up and hunt and stop whining, crying & questioning everything?

Just have you and your dog READY for the **** hunt!

Excellent point!!! But, it will never happen. Too many people just have to either argue and/or they need an excuse why they lost.
I don't like the idea of "across the board" same amounts for all dogs...why not just give 'em all a trophy and win slip. It's not competition.
One idea that was kicked around some time back was to make it so a dog had to hunt alone and prove that it could do it by itself BEFORE said dog could be entered in a nite hunt. One problem with this is that no one can say a given dog was a so called "me too" and that excuse would be lost.
What would a given cast or hunt be like if all dogs entered had already proven that they can tree their own coon by themselves???
How much effort would guys put into trying to get a babbling, me too, slick treeing idiot qualified??? Instead of just being able to throw any dog in a hunt handler/owners would have to show up with something.
It will never happen because any change like this always gets back to existing attendance problems. "We cant get enough people to show up at hunts now, having to qualify a dog by itself will kill nite hunts for sure....."
How many more {or maybe less} people/good dogs would show up if dogs had to qualify??? Do the guys complaining about me too, babbling idiots out number the ones that need to be able to say they were beat by a babbler or me too dog??? I predict that things will stay the same because the numbers are about the same.

Posted by Rocketman55 on 05-21-2016 04:18 PM:

WOW from the looks of some of these posts a newbie to this sport might think a dog that babbles cannot tree a coon bt it's self. And then some think the answer is to make them qualify by treeing a coon by themselves. Now do we really think that a dog that can tree a coon by it's self will eliminate the me too babbling dog.

Just in case you haven't heard many PUPS today tree coons by themselves by 10 months of age. But that in it's self does not mean they will not babble, cover, run junk, or be silent in company when dropped under competition.

It takes a lot of boot leather to get one ready for competition and that is nothing new to the real coon hunter.

And by the way Mr. Yadkintar. The reason I advocate for an open mouthed dog against a silent dog is NOT because I am having trouble winning against a tight mouthed dog. You are cordially envied to come for a hunt anytime and see for your self what style dog I hunt, and then you will be more educated as to the opinion you have a right to express about the style dog I want to follow. My reason for denying the silent dog is that it is harder and harder to find a real hound that will open on a bad track. Now my definition of a bad track may certainly be different than yours, but I am having a very difficult time finding a dog with as much nose and coon treeing ability as what I have line bred for the past 40 plus years. Maybe you have just what I'm looking for, but I'm guessing you probably don't since you just posted that you really don't like to hear a dog open much on track. Now I don't either if the track is bad & tough, but if my hound is out front and driving on a hot track, I want him screaming and telling all the world he has the front end, then we he comes treed, you will know exactly how you got beat. That kind of dog is not for everybody but it is what I want.

OK guys & gals. I will back out now and leave this post to the experts.

Posted by GA DAWG on 05-21-2016 04:21 PM:

The ones that run the hunts hard and a lot. They are going to have a babble/fast strike dog/idiot barker. No rule you'll ever make will get rid of them. Get rid of the min. They will just strike at 5 seconds in. They want shut up till treed. So you'll not get rhem minused. The 1 min rule will get the excited dog minused some. Will be lots of splitting strike points untill folks go to breaking babblers again.

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Posted by brujan182 on 05-21-2016 05:07 PM:

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So a dog that is still peeing on a bush in front of you while the other is 500 yards and struck are given the same points.....

No thanks

What he said!

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Posted by Fire Archer on 05-21-2016 05:25 PM:

I had a guy to tell me that he doesn't mind hunting a babbling dog and will not break any dog off junk till it makes GrNt. He said you will get away with a babbling dog a lot more than you will get called out on it and it is hard to beat a dog that will strike on a ground squirrel and switch over to a coon when it runs across one. He has granded quite a few of them that way. I myself don't understand why anyone would cheat to win in a UKC competition coon hunt. You will most likely never win enough jack to cover all of your expenses and time. So, why is it worth the reputation of being a liar and cheater?

Posted by AppalachianBlue on 05-21-2016 06:09 PM:

I prefer a dog a lil tighter mouth on a colder track. But dont get me wrong i like to listen to a good chase. When it gets hotter. I prefer the pleasure side of things and i feel the looser the mouth on a older track just alerts the coon theyre comin and end up gettin deeper. Id rather em open more when theyve caught up wit the coon and get it treed. Plus i feel like theyre usin theyre head and nose more on a colder track if theyre not constantly barkin.

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Posted by yadkintar on 05-21-2016 06:35 PM:

Rocket man never said I did not like a dog to open on track but I don't like a babbling me to dog to stay right on top of me all night either it's not my style to brag but I promise you I usually have somthing on my leash that can compete with anybody with fur in its trees but usually the ones that get defensive about babbling dogs got one but I am picky I have owned more ntchs and Grntchs and one world ch than I can remember only 4 stand out in my mind as the best I ever owned in 40 yrs of hunting like I said before you don't have to convince me to like your dog just because you do to each his own.

Posted by Barry Edwards on 05-21-2016 06:57 PM:

I would like to see them have the tree count down and just leave the strike points alone

Posted by BlueDogPapa01 on 05-21-2016 08:46 PM:

I'd like to see them let me use my shock collar in the hunts I hunt one that's a babbleing idiot . Hunt him alone he's allmost silent

Posted by Ryan J on 05-22-2016 01:36 AM:

No this is a coon hound sport. Not a cur dog sport. If you hunt silent dogs your scratched in UKC you shouldn't be there anyway. Cur dogs will not cover another dog. Not coon hounds they are met to finish tracks they start and compete to the tree. All breed standards of the hound say they must be open on track. Not this silent hound New comp hound. Deep silent and alone.

Posted by yadkintar on 05-22-2016 02:05 AM:

All you got to do is tree coons behind ole deep and silent shouldn't be hard if they are getting last strike all the time Olay Olay !!!!!!

Posted by bert52 on 05-22-2016 05:25 PM:

Re: How many people would like to see?

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Originally posted by Bryan Faircloth
Who all would love to see Strike Points be 25. I mean all you would receive is 25 points for striking in at all, even first strike. That would cut out the babbling and make it a even field for a coon dog.

hey Brian, this is one question I never thought u would be worried about....lol!

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Posted by bert52 on 05-22-2016 05:33 PM:

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Originally posted by Fire Archer
I myself don't understand why anyone would cheat to win in a UKC competition coon hunt. You will most likely never win enough jack to cover all of your expenses and time.

really? lol! ever heard of the professional handler? now this is not saying all handlers are cheats now but a lot more cheating has went on since money hunts came into existence and also money men( again, some of them, not all of them) are paying for their dogs to win and don't care how but they do not want to know about it. fact or fiction?

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