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if it is there a high percent of time you can find it leaves on big giant oaks populars etc come to w.v. and hunt year round 20 degrees or 90 leaves on or off wild coon no feeder buckets if you are confident in your dog you usauble will see it we should cull the rest be more selective in our breeding of all breeds and we wouldnt have to worry about this problem in our hounds wich is not enough nose not enough brains to use what nose it has andi know a few slick treeing idiots are man made handling but most are man made poor breeding. i hate and will not walk in these rough mountains or any were else to very many i dont see coon if i cant fix the problem i elimanate the problem
nuff said
ps 75% or better prefer better all trees except dens

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Originally posted by shane_atchison
58% is realistically likely above national average. I believe your sample size is to small to determine true accuracy though. If every hunter kept an accurate log of trees made / coon seen, many would not believe the #s.

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Agree 100%

I did keep an accurate log for entire year on a dog over a decade ago. To say I was SHOCKED at the end of that year would be an understatement!

It blows me away how people don't want to count dens as a coon not seen. There must be a stigma for a realistic percentage number. Sure a slick is harder to swallow than a den for a coon not seen, but it is what it is, A COON NOT SEEN. Why try to skew the numbers?

Another can of worms to add in as a side bar to the conversation; what is an acceptable annual percentage of den trees?

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66% doesn't sound real good but, if every time you went hunting, your dog treed three times and you saw two coons, that doesn't sound so bad.

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Agree 100%

I did keep an accurate log for entire year on a dog over a decade ago. To say I was SHOCKED at the end of that year would be an understatement!

It blows me away how people don't want to count dens as a coon not seen. There must be a stigma for a realistic percentage number. Sure a slick is harder to swallow than a den for a coon not seen, but it is what it is, A COON NOT SEEN. Why try to skew the numbers?

Another can of worms to add in as a side bar to the conversation; what is an acceptable annual percentage of den trees?

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Originally posted by John Carroll
Some places have way more dens than others.

If you come to the Ozarks of northeast Oklahoma and hunt the hills in January, you are going to tree a lot of dens.

The old chopping axe tells the tale.

Some very accurate dogs will tree quite a few dens that time of year.

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I sem to be seeing a pattern where many folks in this conversation seem to think a den tree is automatically slick.

My question to you folks on this subject is this; What percentage of den trees that you walk to are you really able to throughly search? And of those trees "Throughly" searched, what percentage do you actually see a coon in??

And question number three; what percentage of total den trees have you seen a coon, that thought it was hidden inside the tree??

If you guys have truly kept these type records, it sure would be interesting to see the results. I will be honest I have NEVER kept records in the summer time and the reason for that is because I don't feel my dog fluctuates as much as those so called records indicate. You see my dogs are pretty near 80-90 percent with the leaves off and probably near 35-40 percent from mid may to October 31st of me actually seeing a coon or a legitimate den. I don't believe a seasoned coon treeing hound fluctuates that much from winter to summer. I'm more inclined to believe it is my coon finding ability that fluctuates more so than the hounds performance.

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What about --63 trees --and 52 trees ---had coon in them ??? Thru November--December

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My last dog I will say was spectacular. I owned half with my best friend who is an engineer. We bought dog as night champion at 3 to pleasure hunt. Hunted him 7 years and we have a spreadsheet with info of every night he hunted. We even split it up into den trees, cedars, too many leaves and slicks. Dogs are like people. They have off periods. That dog was 78% if you take out cedars and too many leaves. I wish I could say I was that accurate in my life.

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Originally posted by blueticker
Best deal going: I know where a hound is that I will pay $50 on slick trees and you pay $ 20 when they have a coon. We'll hunt it alone for five hours for 5 nights. I'll pay for your motel if you pay $35 on the coon trees.Den trees won't be considered unless coon can be seen from the ground. Bring cash, I live in Kansas and spectators can hunt legal. Phone 620 762 1344. We'll hunt for a month if I don't run out of cash. Accuracy is important to me. We'll keep an accurate account and report the outcome.

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Originally posted by AndyMiller
What about --63 trees --and 52 trees ---had coon in them ??? Thru November--December

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Accuracy

I had the pleasure to hunt with a couple really accurate dogs 15 -20 plus years ago. They had exceptional ability and very high accuracy in all conditions. What I remember is very few den trees out of these dogs. Most guys don't believe me today when I talk about these dogs because they cannot even imagine what I'm describing. I would pay good money today for a hound of this caliber. No excuses were necessary but if coon weren't moving we went walking but always to a coon. These dogs were sailors bred walkers and I wish I could find some of this blood. Our old dog died and unfortunately did not throw anything worth keeping and we lost the line. Getting back to accuracy, one slick per 30 trees was not too much to expect back then, heck today I'm lucky to get thru one night without a slick.

I sold a little All Grand GrandNight seven year old female a few years back that I swear would have 8 out of ten coons she treed or better, and was not slow about doing it. She treed a lot of coons in the winter up solid den trees. I found nearly all her coons on the outside on those dens. I have hunted for fifty years and a whole bunch of those den trees are SLICK. Just carry a saw and you will see what I mean. Dogs (some) tree on the wrong end of the track!!!!! That is the reason some dogs make a lot of den trees!

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Do ya go in hoping to see a coon ....or expecting to see a coon.

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Originally posted by ringtail
I don't necessarily agree with this. It depends on why your dog is not accurate in thin coon. If he is slicking in thin coon, because he is heavy on the tree side and looking to tree quick, then yes in thick coon he should shine or at least improve dramatically.

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Originally posted by Joe W. Smith
I sold a little All Grand GrandNight seven year old female a few years back that I swear would have 8 out of ten coons she treed or better, and was not slow about doing it. She treed a lot of coons in the winter up solid den trees. I found nearly all her coons on the outside on those dens. I have hunted for fifty years and a whole bunch of those den trees are SLICK. Just carry a saw and you will see what I mean. Dogs (some) tree on the wrong end of the track!!!!! That is the reason some dogs make a lot of den trees!

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Originally posted by blueticker
Best deal going: I know where a hound is that I will pay $50 on slick trees and you pay $ 20 when they have a coon. We'll hunt it alone for five hours for 5 nights. I'll pay for your motel if you pay $35 on the coon trees.Den trees won't be considered unless coon can be seen from the ground. Bring cash

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Originally posted by shane_atchison
If a coon is seen in a den get paid, if it's not it won't be considered. That is a good deal for you lol. I know accurate dogs exist, I just believe they aren't as common as advertised.

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Originally posted by Joe W. Smith
Dogs (some) tree on the wrong end of the track!!!!! That is the reason some dogs make a lot of den trees! [/B]

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Originally posted by blueticker
Bring a chain saw we'll count them all. Just more money for someone. It was a little after 10 when I left the house for a short hunt. First deal 230 yds no track bark falls treed. Coon setting 30 yds across a creek but one also setting 30 feet up the big oak she treed on. Next dump she went through a mile section no bark. Next deal falls treed at 650 yds coon looking down. Next deal 270 yds opens a few times moves 50 yds gets treed up a small elm. Coon moves around a bit I pull her off. Last dump goes in 300 yds works or boo ticks a track 600+ yds. Four hundred of it across worked ground ready for corn.Takes her 15 minutes but locates and trees. Coon setting a couple trees over but she has one also. Lucky night 100% . Should of left to hunt at dark, may have treed six to 8 coon. Wife enjoys visiting and goes to bed at 10. Hunting alone I can tell it any way I want but I'll sure take most anyone hunting.

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We have a good coon population. Not as many as north kansas. I would not like hunting this gyp in thin coon. She would be accurate in thin coon but you better have good tracking equipment. I believe she would still tree a coon most of the time when cut loose.

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I went and picked up the new dog... Im at 50% right now... 3 coon and 3 circles, haven't made a slick so far lol

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acceptable accuracy?

i am not one to keep track of accuracy. I usually don't have to because I count on mine to hqve coons every time I cut her loose. if i own one & it trees, it is going to be heavy on the "have em" when I get there. If my dog slicks it is not going to repetively do it, he is going to get a stompin and I expect it to be right in a short period of time after that if it does pull short every now and again...
I'm not hunting a dog that pulls short more than it gets right.
Many of you would argue with me, we all have our own opinions.
But most of you don't keep track of this sort of things, neither do I..
accuracy nowadays is something hard to find, you can't beat accuracy or track driving ability into a dog, people say slick treeing dogs are a handler problem, I CLEARLY DO NOT believe that nonsense, many of these guys out there are breeding for a set of papers, money and tree power because they sound good going in there and locking up on the first tree they come to.
Accuracy to me, well it's the whole point of turning one loose and going every night I can, treeing coon,
not making empty trees. that is why it is called coonhunting.
I don't expect a dog to be perfect and not make mistakes but When I am hunting one, IT is going to have coons when it trees.
I GO IN EXPECTING TO SEE COONS! I don't average things up but when mine trees it has real wild live coons

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