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Posted by hillbilly56 on 10-29-2015 02:30 AM:

now something like that would upset me also i got a big thicket about 3 acres i leave for the rabbitts and deer to travel starts about 20 yards from my house ive had guy's almost in my back door rabbitt hunting some i know some i didn't just told them don't shoot towards my house and have never had any damage

Posted by Mended 2-11-14 on 10-29-2015 02:35 AM:

This is where you need to take care of the right to retrieve law , to many people have put in way to many hours to let it go. The worst thing that could ever be done is have the game dept envolved with anything like this. A few years back the Game dept. formed a committee on this very thing. They had deer hunters, bear hunters, fox hunters, coon hunters land owners and a few other groups. I represented the coonhunters. That whole summer the Game department tried to convince the group to suggest making big change with this law.When the final vote came myself and the rep. of the bear hunters voted to leave everything as is. Every other group voted for changes , some small all the way to doing a way with the law. Remember once gone you will never get it back.Fight it every time it comes up.

Posted by msinc on 10-29-2015 02:37 AM:

Here is a right to retrieve question...is blaze orange a requirement to get your dog during the day during hunting season??? Might want to check on that one in Virginia or other states too...it is a tough law here. I had a buddy last year shoot a deer. It ran to adjacent property and he had to track it. He went to the owners house and got permission, took off his coat and went trekking after the wounded deer. He found it and drug it out only to find a game warden waiting with a ticket. $250.00 for not having his blaze orange on. It is required here any time you are in the woods during hunting season for any hunting related reason.

Posted by msinc on 10-29-2015 02:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Mended 2-11-14
This is where you need to take care of the right to retrieve law , to many people have put in way to many hours to let it go. The worst thing that could ever be done is have the game dept envolved with anything like this. A few years back the Game dept. formed a committee on this very thing. They had deer hunters, bear hunters, fox hunters, coon hunters land owners and a few other groups. I represented the coonhunters. That whole summer the Game department tried to convince the group to suggest making big change with this law.When the final vote came myself and the rep. of the bear hunters voted to leave everything as is. Every other group voted for changes , some small all the way to doing a way with the law. Remember once gone you will never get it back.Fight it every time it comes up.

I don't know how you would ever keep the DGIF out of it...I mean after all it is their department!! I get what you are saying though.
All that said, I believe we have to police our own ranks, one of the most important things to make sure of is that no laws ever get broken and no land owner never suffers any losses as a result of a legal hunter going and getting his dog.
One of the biggest reasons you can still go buy and own a machine gun or other class III weapon is because since 1935 when the NFA became law no crime has been committed with a legal registered class III weapon. As soon as some nutbag goes and legally buys and registers one and then goes and shoots up some school or church IT WILL BE OVER. We need to keep it the same way!!!! It is hard for some anti to argue that we need to do away with something that has NEVER caused a problem.

Posted by Charles Pullen on 10-29-2015 03:07 AM:

Blaze Orange

quote:
Originally posted by msinc
Here is a right to retrieve question...is blaze orange a requirement to get your dog during the day during hunting season??? Might want to check on that one in Virginia or other states too...it is a tough law here. I had a buddy last year shoot a deer. It ran to adjacent property and he had to track it. He went to the owners house and got permission, took off his coat and went trekking after the wounded deer. He found it and drug it out only to find a game warden waiting with a ticket. $250.00 for not having his blaze orange on. It is required here any time you are in the woods during hunting season for any hunting related reason.

Yes to the blaze orange question .

Posted by mr taylor on 10-29-2015 03:55 AM:

msinc

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Originally posted by msinc
Plenty of people hunt my land, as a matter of fact I would love for them to kill every fox and deer on it!!!!!...but, they are required to ask me first. I get what you are saying about the written permission. When my state first went to it nobody here wanted to write something either. Their issue, and I totally agree by the way, is this; if I worked and paid for this land don't I have the right to allow whoever I want and however I give the permission, to hunt??? But, it is the law and you gotta see this thru the eyes of a gamewarden...you say "sure I got permission" and he now has to go and probably bother the landowner to confirm.
As to the go and get your dog B.S. well, its funny how that hillbilly tough guy stuff dries up and blows away when you are looking down the barrel of an 870 with 7 rounds of buckshot in the tube. I got zero problems letting you hunt my land, and I'll even go get your dog for you if it makes you happy...but you will ask me first. If I catch you creepin around my land, any of it, it will end badly for both of us but you first.

msinc, I agree with you on most of your post but not on this and to tell you the truth when you post that you are going to kill someone( you never used the word that is what you meant )
because they are on your land without permission just to try and get their dog back and everyone see's it that is why all the crazy gun laws and hunting laws come up into effect that no one wants to see and they are to many people out there with your way of thinking that is why if my dogs end up on someones land i do not know i just call the sheriffs department to come and go with me to get my dogs and when the shotgun goes in their face who's land it is want mean that much when someone is not trying to drop their soap in the shower,hunters come on my land to get their dogs and retrieve deer and what ever and i have never had a problem with them if they had permission or not and most will respect you enough to get their dogs and be gone with out giving you any kind of problems and you can tell if it is hunters trying to get dogs or it is someone stilling or breaking in your house and truth be told if you are as trigger happy as you say i would hate to be one of the lucky ones that have permission to hunt your land.

Posted by msinc on 10-29-2015 01:14 PM:

Re: msinc

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Originally posted by mr taylor
msinc, I agree with you on most of your post but not on this and to tell you the truth when you post that you are going to kill someone( you never used the word that is what you meant )....... truth be told if you are as trigger happy as you say i would hate to be one of the lucky ones that have permission to hunt your land.

I am glad you like some of my posts...it is very kind of you to say so. I am about as reasonable a man as you will ever meet...but my patience is wearing thin with trespassers. It seems like not too many parents have taught their children about respecting other peoples property around these parts. I have always said, "if you don't teach your children well, then somebody else will do it for you." I have to say, I have a different feeling about Virginia, the folks there around my place don't do it or accept it.
I don't know where you read about me being "trigger happy" many a trespassers venture has ended badly for them here, but no one has been shot yet. As to what I meant...I haven't killed anyone for trespassing, but I have certainly stopped quite a few. None have ever returned, and I am not in jail yet either...so I must be doing something right.

Posted by Ron Moore on 10-29-2015 02:01 PM:

Lets face it guys, as long as we're alive on this earth, we're going to deal with these problems. I have hunted a piece of adjoining property where I live for over 20 years. The old man that owned it gave me written permission and when he passed away his wife kept up the deal as long as I would oversee the property. When she went into a long term care facility, it was in their will that the property would go to their two nephews because they had no children. The two nephews immediately had all 240 acres logged and then sold it. Well, I couldn't afford $300K cause I'm just a modest everyday working man and trying to get ready to retire. Anyhow, it was sold and immediately posted heavy. The man that bought it is trying to turn it into a deer management farm. In other words, he went to every neighboring house and farm and left posters to let the deer grow antlers. Now, I have no problem with that cause I usually do that as well. I abide by his wishes and do not hunt on his property besides, it would be pretty rough now that it has been logged pretty heavy. Luckily I have another probably 500 acres of adjoining property to hunt on and one tract belongs to a DNR officer who lives about a quarter mile down the road from me who BTW invited me to hunt on his property.

I want to give you an example of an incident that happened a few years back. Some friends of mine were coon hunting when their dogs got on another property. One of the guys knew this fellow that owned the property so they pulled across the road from his house and was going to go get permission to get their dogs. This gentleman came out of the house with a gun and shot into the air. My friend announced who he was the gentleman began yelling at them and telling them he was going to call the game warden and not to retrieve their dogs. My friend never gave him a chance, he went ahead and called the DNR. The DNR told him that they were going to dispatch the State Police because once a firearm is involved it is turned over to them. Long story short, the land owner went to jail and my friends were aloud to retrieve their hounds. Needless to say, the landowner was knocking on my friends door the next day begging him not to press charges, which he didn't, lesson learned! This is the way the law states it in WV, I'm sure each state differs. I have much land I have access to hunt but I do abide by the law. I have found little problems when asking permission to retrieve my hounds, so far. As far as hunting on Sundays, it would be nice because, I do still work and that one extra day would sure be nice. I do go to church every Sunday but see no harm in it as long as people abide by the law. We are always going to have agreements and disagreements as long as we live, it's all how we handle it. Remember, we can disagree without being disagreeable.

On a side note, if some folks on here would start punctuating their posts, we sure could understand them much better. It would be nice to know where one sentence stops and the other starts LOL! Not picking on any one person at all just the whole forum as a whole. I surely hope everyone is having as much fun as I am this kill season. Have a great day and happy hunting

Posted by mr taylor on 10-29-2015 05:21 PM:

msinc

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Originally posted by msinc
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As to the go and get your dog B.S. well, its funny how that hillbilly tough guy stuff dries up and blows away when you are looking down the barrel of an 870 with 7 rounds of buckshot in the tube. If I catch you creepin around my land, any of it, it will end badly for both of us but you first. [/B]

msinc, those are your own words and when i read it i think it sounds more of a death threat than a invite to come over for tea and crumpets, how would you take it if you read it.
I hate you are having problems with trespassers and the more land you have the bigger the problem is though you can not go around and start shooting trespassers or as you said (it will end badly for both of us but you first ) that is what the phone,sheriffs department,court system,is for is problems like this,good luck with keeping the trespassers at bay.
P.S. i put some extra comma's in this i think it is being graded.

Posted by msinc on 10-29-2015 08:02 PM:

Re: msinc

quote:
Originally posted by mr taylor
msinc, those are your own words and when i read it i think it sounds more of a death threat than a invite to come over for tea and crumpets, how would you take it if you read it.
I hate you are having problems with trespassers and the more land you have the bigger the problem is though you can not go around and start shooting trespassers or as you said (it will end badly for both of us but you first ) that is what the phone,sheriffs department,court system,is for is problems like this,good luck with keeping the trespassers at bay.
P.S. i put some extra comma's in this i think it is being graded.

Thanks a million for the grammar corrections...but, {comma} you missed one. Between the last fourth and third words!!! {of my post that you quoted}
I don't quite get the death threat thing, death was never mentioned, but if that is how you take it then I cannot help that. Definitely no invite for tea, but it is a definite "no you are not!!!" Again, I haven't had to shoot any one yet and none have came back to try me again. Whether or not someone has to get hurt will be totally up to them and their actions.

Posted by mr taylor on 10-29-2015 08:52 PM:

msinc

The comma deal was not meant toward you i was reading the post where folks are not punctuating their posts on here and i threw the comma and grading out as a joke because i think it is funny this is not school and if a redneck like me can get on here and beat in enough words to where people can half read it my job is done i don't have any over achievement awards laying around that i know of.

Posted by msinc on 10-29-2015 09:37 PM:

No, I didn't take it that way at all...I took it for exactly the joke that it was. I was also being facetious by saying that you missed the one in my part of the post.
Believe me, this forum has some people that try to write something and absolutely make zero sense every time they post and still get offended if you just ask them what they mean!!! Then there are some that are about average and miss a few things but you have no trouble understanding them. I think that covers most of us. Bottom line...we probably don't really need grammar police on a forum full of coon hunters, but it's funny just the same.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 10-29-2015 11:51 PM:

misnc

im a pretty easy goin fellar but if im hunting and my dogs get on another property in the nite and im going after them im always prepared if some gun fellar try's sneakin in on me he may make it and may not i really think you are a nicer fellar than your putting on here your even welcome to vist and ask some folks around this area what kinda guy i really am you may be surprize what they tell ya lol

Posted by Tuckahoe2 on 10-30-2015 05:58 PM:

I saw a video of the meeting the dgif held and they had some landowners speaking. Apparently some of the landowners feel there is a "fox hunting loophole" in the laws. They are complaining about deer hunters turning their dogs loose on small tracts of land year round knowing that they will run on to larger tracts of land that are posted and then saying they are fox hunting if they get caught. As long as they can say they're fox hunting, they aren't breaking any laws. The landowners want this changed. Maybe this is why HOBO said that as long as fox hunting is allowed, we won't lose our right to retrieve and, right or wrong, that suits me fine. Us coonhunters aren't the ones they're complaining about (yet) but you can bet these people would be grinning from ear to ear if they could stop all hunting with dogs one small step at a time!

Posted by dchartt on 10-30-2015 06:34 PM:

Msinc you just
Need to let me bowhunt your property and ill betcha you wont have to many problems with trespassers anymore!

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Posted by msinc on 10-30-2015 07:08 PM:

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Originally posted by dchartt
Msinc you just
Need to let me bowhunt your property and ill betcha you wont have to many problems with trespassers anymore!

Written permission granted anytime you want...just say the word!!!

Posted by hillbilly56 on 10-31-2015 02:51 PM:

msinc

how far are ya from grantsville md if ya don't mind telling me maybe you would let me comeover and take a hunt with ya and them blue dog's

Posted by hillbilly56 on 10-31-2015 02:51 PM:

msinc

how far are ya from grantsville md if ya don't mind telling me maybe you would let me comeover and take a hunt with ya and them blue dog's

Posted by msinc on 10-31-2015 09:40 PM:

I live a good 325-350 miles from Grantsville...would love to get up your way and hunt sometime...If you live in Fairmont, aint that over by Morgantown??? I am closer at my cabin in Natural Bridge, Va. but still probably 4 hours.

I live almost as far south below D.C. as you can go...the female I have is in heat right now and the males are about to go completely crazy.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 10-31-2015 10:53 PM:

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Originally posted by msinc
I live a good 325-350 miles from Grantsville...would love to get up your way and hunt sometime...If you live in Fairmont, aint that over by Morgantown??? I am closer at my cabin in Natural Bridge, Va. but still probably 4 hours.

I live almost as far south below D.C. as you can go...the female I have is in heat right now and the males are about to go completely crazy.

yea thats quite aways i use to deliver for philps lighting in newington i got rid of the sheep runner i told him he would get after sheep he said he had goats would break him took him out tree a coon then left the country on a deer his shockin collar went dead couldn't get him stop that was newington va where i deliverd

Posted by HOBO on 10-31-2015 11:27 PM:

No, I said we will have the right to retrieve as long as Fox hunting is allowed because the Fox hunters are the money people in the hunting world and they fight hard to keep the right to retrieve.

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