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Yep just what I thought

First Did not say anything about 80 to 90 bpm just treeing. yes I did say teeeing is bred into a dog and stand by that. Yes I did say a dog can be trained to tree and I stand by that. show me where either one of those statements arer wrong.
Now Richard you answer your own question, BOT I will garontee you if you ever had a big going bird dog you trained him to point. as a puppy we used a bird wing to instill into him, her what who ment and then stacked them up on a point stance there you o and in the old days to reinforce the training a little 12g #9 were used now days " E " collar is used again the word "repitition". Now onto the lab na wasting my time but try the turm forced fetch yesser trained. Last post not going to fuss over this. Happy hunting to all H L Meyer

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I don't think a dog is born with coon sense but I think a smart dog will develop coon sense. Most coon hunters are goin to expose their pups to a coon hide or a caged coon before they take em to the woods. If that pup is smart, he learns that foolin with that coon is something we want him to do and that its fun because we pet him up and make a big deal over it. Therefore when you take that pup to the woods and he comes across a coon track he knows the smell and it excites him. As the pup gets older it will figure out where he has to go to find that smell quicker. Smart dogs can be taught a lot and you probably could teach some dogs to tree if they know they get rewarded for doin it but our coon dogs, lion dogs, and bear dogs are born with that instinct. I guess what I'm tryin to say is that being smart is genetic and coon sense is developed. If you take that same smart dog and drag a deer hide around for it as a pup, its not gonna go to the woods and recognize a coon track so its no way it can be born with coon sense.

Some of us may be giving ourselves too much credit as trainers. If a dog is not born with a sense of what his job is going to be, why do we all want well bred hounds? Get a schnauzer and train him to tree coons. I can be done. Buy a pointer and a blue tick pup and train the blue tick to point birds and the pointer to tree coons. It can be done. Who wants to wait until a blue tick is seven years old to point a quall? The pointer wasn't born knowing what a quall was but, something in his makeup makes him a better prospect for a bird dog than the blue tick. Coon sense? I'm not sure what yall mean by that term but, I'll keep hunting with well bred hounds.

I think the way I am looking at this "instinct" on where to find a coon is: Take 3 young started dogs, drive each one seperately into a large cut corn field with woods no closer than 500 yards away any direction. When each dog is cut does it seem to head towards to best looking woods to hunt, or "why did he go that way" or does it just mill around in the corn field. Make sense?

What can they be born with is a BIG ? Sounds silly to think they could be born with a way of doing things or the desire to hunt a certain way already imprinted in their brain, but i believe they can. I have seen baby bird dogs at 6 weeks old freeze up and fall on point on a bug, and have seen a handful of hound pups get treed the first time in the woods with no previous exposure to game. So its not a very big leap to believe that some are born with a natural ability to know where to look for a track, heck a fish is born knowing to swim upstream to spawn, birds migrate thousands of miles to a spot they have never been so why not a dog?
All we really do is teach them what not to do and give em a ride to the woods, they have to be born with the rest. If we only bred the naturals therd be alot more of em.

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
What can they be born with is a BIG ? Sounds silly to think they could be born with a way of doing things or the desire to hunt a certain way already imprinted in their brain, but i believe they can. I have seen baby bird dogs at 6 weeks old freeze up and fall on point on a bug, and have seen a handful of hound pups get treed the first time in the woods with no previous exposure to game. So its not a very big leap to believe that some are born with a natural ability to know where to look for a track, heck a fish is born knowing to swim upstream to spawn, birds migrate thousands of miles to a spot they have never been so why not a dog?
All we really do is teach them what not to do and give em a ride to the woods, they have to be born with the rest. If we only bred the naturals therd be alot more of em.

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