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Posted by joey on 10-07-2015 06:09 AM:

I don't have a favorite, I have tried several of them and the one thing they all have in common is they are getting a lot more expensive for sure. I know how to make one work and have walked several out of dens. I like one that can go high and growl but you cant just stick it in your mouth and blow. There is a technique to it no different then a duck call and they are not all made equal not even close.

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Posted by shadinc on 10-07-2015 11:28 AM:

I remember Dorman Clouse, the redbone man, saying he had dog that sounded just like a coon squaller. He didn't see many coons but, he sure heard a lot of good jump out races.

Posted by on 10-07-2015 02:44 PM:

How much does the guy blowing the squaller have to do with how good it works. I think more than most would believe.
I have used a ton of them, tested several and developed some. There is a lot of difference like has been mentioned here.

I can take my mouth and several different brand squallers and get good results. I can give someone one that just doesn't feel they work and they don't get good results.

Couple of things when developing a squaller. You have to get one that is easy to use and make it easy for the operator and at the same time have it hit the sounds that someone experienced with a squaller can do. For the novice or non believer it is like a snowball effect. They blow a few times and nothing and the squaller stays in the truck. They blow and find a coon, they blow at the next tree. They blow and coon runs around the tree and they blow harder the next tree. They blow and the coon jumps out and they never leave the squaller behind again. Once you see what you can do it makes you work a little harder on the hard to find coon that most would give up on and say the squaller don't work.

Posted by Gregory Kemp on 10-07-2015 03:11 PM:

All squallers are decent. Its just like this computer we are on, Its only as good as the person typing on it. So, what I quess Im trying to say is its got a lot to do with the person using it. Remember a Coon is a curious animal so any type of noise most of the time will make a coon look. Clapping your hands, beating on the tree, shaking bushes, etc. So, again they all squallers are decent.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 10-07-2015 07:23 PM:

I fall into Bruces nonbeliever catagory, i have tried a bunch of them and i think yellin HEY coon is just as effective. I have even tried to play around with them after the coon was found to try and get a reaction and nothin. I did however have a coon turn and look one night when my phone rang.
Who really believes that a coon lookin down on that fool tootin on that squaller believes its a coon?

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 10-07-2015 07:50 PM:

O.K. I thought about this , and decided that most of us here are adults and we can treat the subject matter like adults.

You will get more realistic coon squalls if you place the tip your tongue up to our gums just above your front teeth as you blow flutter your tongue. You can increase and decrease the pitch of the squalls with the intensity of the air you are blowing. Coons when fighting do not squall at the same intensity.

Do a search on-line for coon squalling sounds. Many of the electronic call businesses have short sound tracks of coon squalling on their websites. As most animal calls, it takes practice to master.

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Posted by Josh Michaelis on 10-07-2015 07:56 PM:

A coon is an animal that can be called just like any other

I have called two coons too trees while a dog is treeing in the middle of a cast. One tried to crawl up a guys leg, the other I shoo'd away and treed later.

Yes they think it is a coon. Yes you can get them to react when they won't look or move otherwise if you hit the right note, and yes a coon squaller is effective and they are not all the same, and no I am not lying to sell calls. I am backlogged a month on orders, I don't need to.

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Posted by on 10-07-2015 08:03 PM:

Squallers do work. This coon isn't running around for the fun of it.
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Posted by HOBO on 10-07-2015 08:10 PM:

Can you all make one move around in the tree or come out of a tree more one time of the year vs another?

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Posted by on 10-07-2015 08:33 PM:

HOBO, I have never paid any attention to the time of year. Most of the time I just blow the squaller to see his eyes and quit blowing. I only try to squall one out when I have my phone or camera there to film. I don't want them coming out. lol

John we still love the non-believers. We make bright lights for those guys!

Posted by msinc on 10-07-2015 09:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I fall into Bruces nonbeliever catagory, i have tried a bunch of them and i think yellin HEY coon is just as effective. I have even tried to play around with them after the coon was found to try and get a reaction and nothin. I did however have a coon turn and look one night when my phone rang.
Who really believes that a coon lookin down on that fool tootin on that squaller believes its a coon?

This device is a FLIR {forward looking infrared} weapon sight. This little jewel, which I bought back in 2011 will absolutely, positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt show you whether or not a warm blooded animal is up a tree. it will also show you exactly where in the tree he is sitting. What it will not do is look through the tree trunk if there is a hollow or den. It will also show the heat left behind where an animal was sitting if he moved, like out further on a limb. It's a wonderful little device to tell you if your dog is treed slick {again, as long as a den is not involved} because one thing it will also do is look right through leaves, vines an smaller branches...it just kind of "burns" them away.
I have played with every coon squaller made, and not just me doing the squalling. I have squalled at coons that were treed by dogs as well as ones we just found sitting up a tree. Coon squallers definitely work to both make a coon look as well as make them move. I have personally never gotten one to run down the trunk and try to run away as a result of squalling. I know they will do this because I have seen it. In each case I not only knew a coon was hiding in the tree...I knew exactly where in the tree he was so I could definitely verify whether or not I was able to get him to move or look. There was never a time when one squaller was blown to see nothing because I didn't really know if a coon was there or not. I think in many cases squallers get unfairly blamed for not producing when there is nothing there to look at it.
The problem is that no coon squaller will work every time. I was unable to test any one squaller that proved to work any better than any other. This brings up an interesting point...in doing all this playing around I have seen just as many coons look at a U.S. Army regulation drill whistle when blown, and a predator call{dying rabbit and woodpecker in distress} as I have a coon squaller. One interesting thing is that you would think a coon just sitting up a tree and not treed by dogs would look at the predator call easily, I have called many while out fox hunting, but no, they did not. Just as many looked at the squaller as the predator calls and the whistle.
Do I believe a purpose designed device can get a coon to look...yep, seen it. Do I believe that is the only thing that will do it to the point I need to pay $40.00 to get one to my house....nope. Is there one purpose designed device any better than the rest to get a coon to look....nope, not based on my testing and I think most guys will agree, I spent a little more money and done a little more testing than most.

Posted by Josh Michaelis on 10-07-2015 09:53 PM:

quote:
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Can you all make one move around in the tree or come out of a tree more one time of the year vs another?

Spring is the best, but I've had them bail at all times

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Posted by shadinc on 10-07-2015 09:57 PM:

I used to hunt with an old that swore by a harmonica. I've seen coons look at his harmonica. No, he didn't play a song. Just a single note.

Posted by joey on 10-07-2015 11:19 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Can you all make one move around in the tree or come out of a tree more one time of the year vs another?

When the kittens are out, but they will jump anytime of the year. It seems to matter more about the individual coon then anything else. I hunted for a long time in the Sam Houston national forest in Texas. I treed a lot of coons there that as soon as you hit a squaller they bailed on you. They wouldn't even take time to look and run around. You just squall and hear a thump when it hit the ground.

Posted by HOBO on 10-08-2015 01:30 AM:

Seems I've had better luck during the rut as far as getting them to move around or bail out

I'm with Bruce once I see it I usually stop squalling.

Posted by legend on 10-08-2015 03:07 AM:

if ukc give all their judges one of them flirs.there would probably be a lot of boys quit competition hunting.

Posted by mr taylor on 10-08-2015 06:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by msinc

This device is a FLIR {forward looking infrared} weapon sight. This little jewel, which I bought back in 2011 will absolutely, positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt show you whether or not a warm blooded animal is up a tree. it will also show you exactly where in the tree he is sitting. What it will not do is look through the tree trunk if there is a hollow or den. It will also show the heat left behind where an animal was sitting if he moved, like out further on a limb. It's a wonderful little device to tell you if your dog is treed slick {again, as long as a den is not involved} because one thing it will also do is look right through leaves, vines an smaller branches...it just kind of "burns" them away.
I have played with every coon squaller made, and not just me doing the squalling. I have squalled at coons that were treed by dogs as well as ones we just found sitting up a tree. Coon squallers definitely work to both make a coon look as well as make them move. I have personally never gotten one to run down the trunk and try to run away as a result of squalling. I know they will do this because I have seen it. In each case I not only knew a coon was hiding in the tree...I knew exactly where in the tree he was so I could definitely verify whether or not I was able to get him to move or look. There was never a time when one squaller was blown to see nothing because I didn't really know if a coon was there or not. I think in many cases squallers get unfairly blamed for not producing when there is nothing there to look at it.
The problem is that no coon squaller will work every time. I was unable to test any one squaller that proved to work any better than any other. This brings up an interesting point...in doing all this playing around I have seen just as many coons look at a U.S. Army regulation drill whistle when blown, and a predator call{dying rabbit and woodpecker in distress} as I have a coon squaller. One interesting thing is that you would think a coon just sitting up a tree and not treed by dogs would look at the predator call easily, I have called many while out fox hunting, but no, they did not. Just as many looked at the squaller as the predator calls and the whistle.
Do I believe a purpose designed device can get a coon to look...yep, seen it. Do I believe that is the only thing that will do it to the point I need to pay $40.00 to get one to my house....nope. Is there one purpose designed device any better than the rest to get a coon to look....nope, not based on my testing and I think most guys will agree, I spent a little more money and done a little more testing than most.

msinc, is it legal to tote that rig through the woods where you live ? i seen in the paper where a feller had a gen 1 night scope mounted on a rifle in his truck rack and got stopped on a state road by warden and they said he was looking at up to 5 years jail time and a bunch money.

Posted by msinc on 10-08-2015 10:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by legend
if ukc give all their judges one of them flirs.there would probably be a lot of boys quit competition hunting.

Yes sir, you struck that nail right smack square on the head and drove it home!!!!

Posted by msinc on 10-08-2015 11:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mr taylor
msinc, is it legal to tote that rig through the woods where you live ? i seen in the paper where a feller had a gen 1 night scope mounted on a rifle in his truck rack and got stopped on a state road by warden and they said he was looking at up to 5 years jail time and a bunch money.

Yes sir, It is legal in my state to both hunt with and possess. Sounds like it is illegal to even own one where that guy in your post is from. Many states have laws that prohibit the use of night vision type devices. Some states have laws that forbid "casting the rays of an artificial light on a field or game." In those states, depending on how it is worded, these may still be legal, you aren't casting anything, just receiving. Some states also prohibit using one on a firearm {weapon sight} Carrying a view scope is O.K.
I didn't spend $11,000.00 on this thing just to look up trees and test squallers...I actually do use it to hunt predators at night. I also have several 3rd gen regular night vision scopes too. I actually kind of like them better, they are half the price of thermal and with an infrared illuminator you can see an animals eye glow.

Posted by wart on 10-08-2015 11:17 PM:

calling

I remember using a soup can lid in the 70's and 80's just fold it in half and have a small hole in the center

Posted by shadinc on 10-09-2015 01:47 PM:

I'm not sure how you use the soup can lid but, it's closer to my price range than msinc's devise.

Posted by msinc on 10-09-2015 02:09 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
I'm not sure how you use the soup can lid but, it's closer to my price range than msinc's devise.

I just blew coffee all over my computer!!!!! You know, I was wondering the same thing...I thought about that soup can lid thing for several hours. I cant imagine what the deal is with that. It's to the point now that I would pay money to see exactly how it works.

Posted by shadinc on 10-09-2015 02:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by msinc
I just blew coffee all over my computer!!!!! You know, I was wondering the same thing...I thought about that soup can lid thing for several hours. I cant imagine what the deal is with that. It's to the point now that I would pay money to see exactly how it works.

Maybe WART will explain it to us???????

Posted by moonshine man on 10-09-2015 08:24 PM:

Soup Can Call ?

Thats one of them old timer tricks there a little like the mr squirrel whistle and a hawk call and the washer call and if you play around with them you can make about any critter come to take a look just to see for sure what it is making the noise or sound and them old timers use to make one call that would work on all game and they would make it out of what ever they could find i can still remember one old man that carried a call made out of a piece of reed pole and anytime you seen him in the woods he had a whole string of critters across his shoulder so it must of worked.

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Posted by wart on 10-09-2015 10:48 PM:

soup can lid caller

This really happened it was from 1978 to1982 I was in a night hunt in Coffeyville ks.or Oswego ks.this was along time ago dogs got treed and after shining an ole boy pulls out a squaller made out of a soup can lid I couldn't believe it it was folded in half and he put the tip of it between his front teeth and pressed the front with his fingers it sounded high pitched like a rabbit call to me I still smile when coon squallers are talked abought

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