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Originally posted by elvis
I don't understand how slick trees and nitehunts go hand in hand.
I never could win much with a slick tree'r.

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Slick trees don't equal plus points. I agree, but take this situation and think about it. A man takes his hound to a nite hunt, and throughout the winter the dog is only 50% accurate, which to me justifies the title slick treeing idiot. JMO. Now, it's the middle of the summer and trees are thick as ever. This dog makes 8 trees to the other dog's 2 trees in a two hour hunt ( common number around my parts). Based on his percentage throughout the year with leaves off of 50% let's say he actually had a coon in 4 of those trees. On this hunt we'll say that we can only find 50% of the coons we tree due to leaves. So this hound has 2 plus point trees, no minus because we all know it's hard to give minus when the leaves are so thick "It could be there, right?" Haha. We'll give this dog 2nd strike 1st tree on both plus point trees. That gives this dog a total of 400+ 0- and however many circle. Now, back to the other dog. He had first strike first tree on both of his trees. Oh but wait, once again we only find 50% of the coons that are actually treed leaving this hound with 225+ o -. Yes the 1st dog treed more coons. Yes he beat the 2nd dog. Yes he wins the truck. Yes he wins the money. But, how many of us will walk to a dog like that throughout the week. I know I'm not. Slick trees do not equal plus points, but a slick treeing idiot can and will win hunts. Especially in the summer. To some 50% may not justify a slick treeing dog, but most would agree with me I believe.

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Originally posted by Preston Chadwell
Slick trees don't equal plus points. I agree, but take this situation and think about it. A man takes his hound to a nite hunt, and throughout the winter the dog is only 50% accurate, which to me justifies the title slick treeing idiot. JMO. Now, it's the middle of the summer and trees are thick as ever. This dog makes 8 trees to the other dog's 2 trees in a two hour hunt ( common number around my parts). Based on his percentage throughout the year with leaves off of 50% let's say he actually had a coon in 4 of those trees. On this hunt we'll say that we can only find 50% of the coons we tree due to leaves. So this hound has 2 plus point trees, no minus because we all know it's hard to give minus when the leaves are so thick "It could be there, right?" Haha. We'll give this dog 2nd strike 1st tree on both plus point trees. That gives this dog a total of 400+ 0- and however many circle. Now, back to the other dog. He had first strike first tree on both of his trees. Oh but wait, once again we only find 50% of the coons that are actually treed leaving this hound with 225+ o -. Yes the 1st dog treed more coons. Yes he beat the 2nd dog. Yes he wins the truck. Yes he wins the money. But, how many of us will walk to a dog like that throughout the week. I know I'm not. Slick trees do not equal plus points, but a slick treeing idiot can and will win hunts. Especially in the summer. To some 50% may not justify a slick treeing dog, but most would agree with me I believe.

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If this dog made 4 slick trees and treed 4 coons in the same woods and at the same time you treed two you don't have much dog power

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Re: my 2 cents

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Originally posted by toe cutter
nite hunts and nite hunt rules dictate how most of our dogs are bred. if you don't want a dog with nite hunt faults don't buy a pup bred for nite hunts. buy a pup bred to be a coon hunters type coondog.
nite hunt dogs are bred to be fast,, with speed you lose accuracy.
usually if you can accept having a dog with papers that say pr so and so more than gr nite ch so and so you will find a dog more suited for what you are wanting.
like HOBO stated above, the type of dogs you are wanting are out here, you just gotta know where to look.
when you ask whats your dogs out of and the ole boy says "just a couple ole dogs" that's the ones you need to be looking at. that don't mean they are less a coondog, it means they are probly more of what type you want in a dog for real deal coon hunting..
problem is even the most die hard coonhunters want a dog they can brag on about what famous dogs its out of.

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In a cast with real competition the slick treer gets beat, yes, but at your average local nite hunt how many people are actually packing this "dog power" you speak of? Slick treers get beaten every weekend. Good solid coonhounds get beaten every weekend as well. My point was, slick dogs can and will win. Consistently? That depends on the competition you're hunting against on a regular basis, buddy system, slick handling, and everything else. It's coonhunting boys, nothing is perfect. Nothing is set in stone, and nothing suits everybody.

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Originally posted by Preston Chadwell
Slick trees don't equal plus points. I agree, but take this situation and think about it. A man takes his hound to a nite hunt, and throughout the winter the dog is only 50% accurate, which to me justifies the title slick treeing idiot. JMO. Now, it's the middle of the summer and trees are thick as ever. This dog makes 8 trees to the other dog's 2 trees in a two hour hunt ( common number around my parts). Based on his percentage throughout the year with leaves off of 50% let's say he actually had a coon in 4 of those trees. On this hunt we'll say that we can only find 50% of the coons we tree due to leaves. So this hound has 2 plus point trees, no minus because we all know it's hard to give minus when the leaves are so thick "It could be there, right?" Haha. We'll give this dog 2nd strike 1st tree on both plus point trees. That gives this dog a total of 400+ 0- and however many circle. Now, back to the other dog. He had first strike first tree on both of his trees. Oh but wait, once again we only find 50% of the coons that are actually treed leaving this hound with 225+ o -. Yes the 1st dog treed more coons. Yes he beat the 2nd dog. Yes he wins the truck. Yes he wins the money. But, how many of us will walk to a dog like that throughout the week. I know I'm not. Slick trees do not equal plus points, but a slick treeing idiot can and will win hunts. Especially in the summer. To some 50% may not justify a slick treeing dog, but most would agree with me I believe.

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Originally posted by Preston Chadwell
I ain't bad mouthing any dog in particular fellas. I don't know how you got that from my original post, beats the heck out of me. I've seen some walkers go that I'd love to own. Heck I owned one that I'd love to have back. I was just making a generalization about what I've seen in the breed as a WHOLE. Walkers are just bred different than other breeds and nobody can deny that. Too each his own. I've been beat by some nice walkers and I've also been beat by some sorry ones. The sorry ones were tree monsters and with the leaves on there was no way to minus them. If you make 10 trees in a 2 hour hunt around here I guarantee you won't tree 10 coons. There's just not that many around here, period. It's funny though when the leaves are off you don't see those dogs in the hunts anymore. Like I said before, and I'll say it again, I'm not bad mouthing walkers. That's all I used to hunt. I loved them, but my objectives as a coonhunter have changed and tree happy get deep in a hurry dogs don't fit what I want in a dog anymore. No doubt walkers serve their purpose. If you want to win hunts no matter what, it's easier to find a walker to fit the bill than any other breed. I just stopped worrying about racking up points in the summer and started worrying about what was up the tree in the winter. Found some dogs I liked better and switched. Once again, too each his own my friends.

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Re: I just don’t know anymore.

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Originally posted by BigContry
People wanting silent dogs, to tree coons faster and have a better chance to be alone on a tree, and not slick treeing. Deep and alone, wanting dogs to hunt alone, evening shocking a dog for covering another dog. Slick treeing, I never dreamed I would have trouble with a dog treeing too much. I hate slick treeing dogs, but that’s what I got. Dog are being breed for this. This is all for competition hunting. For what? Just to put a title on a dog’s ped, or to win a world hunt. Do you really think you will win a world hunt? What are the odds of you winning the world hunt?What has the sport of coon hunting come too. Do I really want to competition hunt? Yes I want to competition hunt, but I pleasure hunt a lot more than compete. The titles, Nitech, and Grnitech, do they mean anything? I know, when I buy a pup, I want to see it. But was the Sire and Dam silent trailing, slick treeing, deep and alone type dogs? Is that something I want for myself? No,but thats all we have to go on. I want a dog that is open on a track, trees with company or alone, and has a coon when he does. I still like pleasure hunt, to hear a good race, and walk to the tree with my hunting buddy.

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Yes, both were walkers. But you gotta get the right walker bloodlines.

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Originally posted by swamp1
titles dont mean sqwat ineastern nc for sure, you go to a hunt theres 1 reg cast witn 3 dogs in it, one is a bucket dog with seasoned handler andthe other 2 are pups or started dogs that might tree acaged coon with newcomers huntig them likely. if you do get in 4 dog cast with 2 dogs that can tree bucket coons then you may find the other bucket dog has to be able to stay at tree with one of them" how can i put this moderately, ahh ever taken a 5 yr old child deer hunting and afterward they wanted ""1 of them killing things""? so how hard is it 4 these people that hunt 8 hunts a mth?
same with granding a dog out 1 cast with 1 and just maybe 2 dogs in it and hope they dont tree off game. and if its just 1 dog game over plus everything slicks and all for some. wee doggy 1 of them old nt ch gr nt ch gooduns.

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i wasnt singleing anybody out on saying walkers are the slick tree dogs.. i was saying you when i referd to were you said you had them in other breeds.. wasnt trying to point fingers was just saying in general how walkers always catch the blame.. sorry if took in wrong contexts

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No need to apologize. It's all good. I took it wrong and thought I was misunderstood. It's hard to tell how people mean things when communicating through typed text. It's not like having a face to face conversation with body language. That's one thing I dislike about technology.

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If I have one I know is a coon treer. I hope I do draw a bunch of circle treeing idiots. Maybe they will make 20 trees. I really dont care. Problem really is. Most people aint packing what they think they are. If they were these circle treers wouldn't be winning.

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Originally posted by Preston Chadwell
No need to apologize. It's all good. I took it wrong and thought I was misunderstood. It's hard to tell how people mean things when communicating through typed text. It's not like having a face to face conversation with body language. That's one thing I dislike about technology.

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I agree GA Dawg. Not everybody can have a solid hound, and some just don't care enough to have one. In a cast of bad or average hounds the best of the worst will always win

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90 %

You all just need to get one of them 90% coon seen dogs. Then you will get to score plus points on 7 or maybe even 8 of those 8 trees. Wouldn't matter at all to me what color the dog was. Heck it could be purple with pink stripes for all I care.

I think my buddy in East India has a labradoodlehuskyshitzu that's 90% coon seen. He might just give it to you hahaha. I know a dog can be deadly accurate and may even have a coon 90% of the time, but nobody can tell me that they find 9 out of 10 coons consistently throughout the year. More than one is gonna find a den that can't be shined before it gets treed. That's just how it is.

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The dogs we hunt today sure aren't perfect but all things considered I for one wouldn't go back to those cold nosed things we had in the 70s

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
If I have one I know is a coon treer. I hope I do draw a bunch of circle treeing idiots. Maybe they will make 20 trees. I really dont care. Problem really is. Most people aint packing what they think they are. If they were these circle treers wouldn't be winning.

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Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
Circle treers griping about other circle treers ? LOL !!

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As long as we are talking % in my opinion 80% of the people don't have a clue what a dog is doing. The other 20% win the hunts and don't gripe about what the other dogs in the cast did.

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Originally posted by joey
As long as we are talking % in my opinion 80% of the people don't have a clue what a dog is doing. The other 20% win the hunts and don't gripe about what the other dogs in the cast did.

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