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Posted by Chiggers on 01-29-2015 04:21 AM:

Re: Re: Oscar

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Originally posted by Tom Jones
are you saying Oscar is 25% bluetick? ps: Oscars gramma wasn't picky at all and that lil shitzu must of been a determined lil fella

25 % Walker, He goes back to Houses Lipper, Wicks Stylish Banjo, Hardwood Bozo, Hardwood Patch, ect. And his mother took the most after the shitsu, When she got older she was almost to ugly to look at, Then I bred her back to her daddy just to see what would happen, I had planned to breed one back to its daddy again but didn't, it was obvious what would happen.

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 01-29-2015 12:09 PM:

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Originally posted by 8hawg
Vic, interesting discussion, I have been thinking a lot about your thread here. I realized I been down this road before with these types of discussions. For that reason I' m out. I hope you get the info your looking for.

Thank you Chris. I understand where your coming from. These danged ole blue dogs & blue doggers can be rough on a feller that hunts blueticks

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Posted by Vic Stoll on 01-29-2015 12:14 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Oscar

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Originally posted by Chiggers
25 % Walker, He goes back to Houses Lipper, Wicks Stylish Banjo, Hardwood Bozo, Hardwood Patch, ect. And his mother took the most after the shitsu, When she got older she was almost to ugly to look at, Then I bred her back to her daddy just to see what would happen, I had planned to breed one back to its daddy again but didn't, it was obvious what would happen.

Now Chiggers, if that's not a tangled web, I don't know what is! You & that okie Jones feller can thoroughly confuse a fat, bald headed, simple Yankee boy like myself in short order. Just as long as you don't tell me about the rabbits, you'll have my undivided attention

Posted by Tom Jones on 01-29-2015 01:41 PM:

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Originally posted by hat creek mac
Tom I saw a Doberman female have pups from a male poodle one time! Where there's a will there's a way! LOL

lol yep. my pawpa had a 10 month old pitbull (little one about 30#s) get bred by a 130# great Pyrenees. he drug her around a good bit. didn't get any Oscars out of the deal as she was aborted and fixed.

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Posted by Chiggers on 01-29-2015 01:48 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Oscar

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Originally posted by Vic Stoll
Now Chiggers, if that's not a tangled web, I don't know what is! You & that okie Jones feller can thoroughly confuse a fat, bald headed, simple Yankee boy like myself in short order. Just as long as you don't tell me about the rabbits, you'll have my undivided attention !!

LOL I hear you but its true. Later I will try to post the papers of his ancestors if I can get them to copy and scan. I got into blueticks in 2003. Suprising how fast you can change dogs through selective breeding.

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Posted by Ron Moore on 01-29-2015 08:47 PM:

Good Thread

I think now days that too many folks get caught up in the glitz and hype of the dogs at the top of the heap. The young folks that haven't been around long seem to be the most volnerable. I too, at one time, believed all I saw and read in the books and then on the internet. Some of the best advice I ever got was by word of mouth from real honest to goodness coon hunters, not top breeders with world champions. As said before on here, very few stud owners will refuse a female. An old time coon hunter that measures his success by the pleasure his hound gives him knows what really matters in a hound. The best advice I ever got was once when a fellow hunter told me to check out this certain hound if I ever wanted to breed my good female again. This hound was not highly touted at that time like most of the other studs being offered up at that time. He said he had seen first hand that this certain male was throwing very nice pups from different females. I took my female to said stud and it was the fifth and last cross I made on my good female and it was by far the best. I'd like to say that I've always tried to breed coon dog to coon dog but even that doesn't always work. Anyone that says they have never gotten several duds from top hounds would not be telling the truth, IMO. If I have learned one thing from breeding and raising these fool hounds is they don't always take back after their parents. Some traits pop up and I don't know where they come from, maybe from Chiggers Shitzu LOL! Anyhow, that's my two cents worth, that and $5 just might buy you a cup of coffee. Hope everyone has a great day and year.....Ron

Posted by Vic Stoll on 02-05-2015 09:27 PM:

Tangled Web!

Thank you everyone for your input!

Just one of those subjects or mindsets that is very often recommended for folks to do, but when the rubber meets the road, is not very often successful. I sure don't have any answers for a viable alternative. Maybe just listening to other peoples experiences & which of those experiences were of a favorable outcome is as good of a method for the mud to stick to the wall as any.

Keep ole blue in that timber everyone!

Posted by Wayne Valentino on 02-07-2015 04:51 PM:

Vic

I believe the best crosses I've seen are strong trait to strong trait producing a higher success rate of decent dogs. The compensation crosses seem to be a mixed bag.. Just what my observations have been.

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Posted by cwbluebio on 02-08-2015 02:50 AM:

Very interesting post and question. One aspect of our dogs was brought up in a comment-tree dogs or track dogs. Does anyone else find it of interest that our breed overall has lost a lot of the BIG mouths that Blueticks were once known for? I predicted when the hunts went from 3 hrs. to 2 hrs. that we would lose tracking and gain more tree. The Walkers have gained a lot better mouths during this same period of time while we have lost. I am just sharing a few observations I have seen over the years-didn't say it was good or bad! Just what I have ran into. Good luck to all of you.

Posted by blue blue on 02-10-2015 05:34 PM:

Mr. Vic

Even though i don't consider myself a breeder i have bred several females over the years and the question i get the most is how do i think this will cross with that. I know the simple things most know like mean to mean usually = mean but i have a simple theory that even some of my friends on here don't like but i tell them try the cross and if it works to your likes do it again if it dosen't then no more. I am just not smart enough to tell someone with any certainty what a first cross will produce.

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