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Posted by OLD TIMER on 09-10-2014 08:37 PM:

Very good points Shane--

As far as "bad" cast, they weren't all at a young age. Seen old men call a young hunters hound, see males jump on females and take them to the ground and the best was at a Breed Day hunt when a "Big Name" breeder sat down on a stump and not help shine the tree

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Posted by sox12 on 09-10-2014 08:50 PM:

a lot depends on how the coons are moveing,you might tree quite a few coon 1 night and maybe not even see one the next night,with the best hunting territory you can find.I am a none hunting guide and I have guided dogs that didn't tree a coon on the outside but in other parts of the woods they seen coons laying up.they wood come back and tell me that they seen coon but the dogs didn't tree them.i always try to bring in the highest score when I take a cast out,no matter who ever is in the cast I am guideing.may the best dog win that night.Hope to you all at the World championship hunt,we finally got some rain and cooler weather should be good hunting.

George

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-11-2014 12:21 AM:

Re: Well, this is true ABOUT THE DOGS--

quote:
Originally posted by OLD TIMER
Don't always have to be "in the kitchen" to know what's cooking.

If your not in the kitchen then how in the world are you going to know what is cooking?

I guess that the only way would be for someone that was in the kitchen to come back and tell you. Or maybe someone that knows someone that was in the kitchen. Or maybe someone that overheard someone that knows someone.
Oh my goodness. I have been in the kitchen myself before and I didn't know what was cooking.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-11-2014 12:40 AM:

Oh my goodness, I had heard rumors that UKC/PKC World Champion handler Randy Leonard had been hunting a Redbone and now I saw on another post that Mr Leonard was going to handle him at the Zone 8 hunt in Georgia. I would certainly hate to draw out against him. Tonight is the last night to practice but if they are not ready by now you had better just stay home. I bet everyone will be resting up tonight and getting ready to hit the road tomorrow.

Posted by OLD TIMER on 09-11-2014 02:24 AM:

Come on Richard---

I sure hope your better than that---1/2 way down the driveway after school we knew if there was fresh bread in the oven, coming arcross the yard from the barn we would know if we were having bacon with the eggs and at Thanksgiving could tell walking in Grandma's front door there was going to be apple pie after dinner. So I don't have to have my name "on" a score card to know alittle of what goes on when the sun sets----all you have to do is go along and "smell" what's cooking. Had good hunts with and enjoyed getting some of Terry Hayes and Robbie Farrs blood, would have loved to have gotten old Rat after hunting with him and some of his off spring with Tom and Dave.

So as what was said on another post---I like traits and style a hound produces over pedigrees and degrees.

But as far as the "type/style" that cooks in the kitchen for the BIG HUNTS, no thanks.

So I wish you all that hunt a good cold nose, open trailing Redbone the best of LUCK the next few weeks. Because unless you have Ocean Frontage in North Dakota, your will need a lot of it!!

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-11-2014 04:43 PM:

I hope that the guys with those good cold nosed, open trailing Redbones are not counting on "Luck" to get them through. Hunting your dog every night for 30 days all by himself; getting to know exactly what he is telling you with that good open mouth; reading and studying the rules; learning to keep your cool and not getting riled up will take you a lot farther than "Luck". Also, all of the above will count a lot more than who your Judge/Guide is. A good team of dog/handler can overcome bad luck/breaks. The only problem is, there will be a lot of good teams that have done their homework hunting this weekend. If you haven't, don't blame it on "bad luck" if you get beat. Friday night is almost here. I hope that everyone is going to hit the road today and has a safe trip. Is anyone beginning to get a little nervous?

Posted by OLD TIMER on 09-11-2014 05:47 PM:

30 NIGHTS STRAIGHT!!

Holy Crap that sounds like way to much WORK and I only hunt for the FUN. But I guess if you don't have Grand Kids in sports and a pontoon to enjoy once and awhile, you can get after it.

But Grandpa always said, "There's 3 things in life you don't have to be good at to enjoy, Golf-Sex-and Coon Hunting." Well, I don't play golf, to OLD for one so I guess I'll just coon hunt!!

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Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 09-11-2014 07:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I hope that the guys with those good cold nosed, open trailing Redbones are not counting on "Luck" to get them through. Hunting your dog every night for 30 days all by himself; getting to know exactly what he is telling you with that good open mouth; reading and studying the rules; learning to keep your cool and not getting riled up will take you a lot farther than "Luck". Also, all of the above will count a lot more than who your Judge/Guide is. A good team of dog/handler can overcome bad luck/breaks. The only problem is, there will be a lot of good teams that have done their homework hunting this weekend. If you haven't, don't blame it on "bad luck" if you get beat. Friday night is almost here. I hope that everyone is going to hit the road today and has a safe trip. Is anyone beginning to get a little nervous?

When you make it to the top twenty...just about every handler and dog is good. They have been hunted hard and the handlers know the rules and then it becomes more a matter of luck than who has the better dog. It comes down to which dog goes in the right direction and finds a coon first and which handler can find his dogs coon to get the dog plussed. The luck part is often just getting a coon on the outside on one of the late rounds Or being lucky your dog doesn't get injured, sick, lost in a tile or hit on the road.... Even when you know you are hunting a good dog and you know he is ready as he has ever been....you have to rely on some luck that the coon will not go to a hole, or den, or barn, or a big leafy tree you cannot shine effectively.
When it comes to the finals of big hunts where almost every dog is above average in ability and so is his handler....I would rather be lucky than good

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Posted by oklared on 09-11-2014 09:39 PM:

ANY REDS MAKE IT OUT OF ZONE 2 WILL HAVE DONE A HECK OF A JOB

OH YA AND LEONARD AND OLD COOTER

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-11-2014 11:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Outlaw
....I would rather be lucky than good......

Myself, I would rather be good. Have you ever noticed how some dogs/handlers seem to create their own luck. A good experienced handler will find a coon if it is there even in a big leafy tree. A dog with more coon sense seems to always go the right way. A good broke dog will not stay in a hole or tile. He/she will go on and find another coon. And have you ever noticed how some handlers seem to always put forth a little more effort and work a little harder when it counts the most. They may not have the best dog but they come out ahead at the end of the night.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-11-2014 11:15 PM:

Re: 30 NIGHTS STRAIGHT!!

quote:
Originally posted by OLD TIMER
Holy Crap that sounds like way to much WORK and I only hunt for the FUN.

That is fine. I guess that you should just stick to fun/pleasure hunting. But some people think that it is fun to hunt that hard. If you really like what you are doing then it is not work. And guys that don't want to put forth that much effort should not complain about or criticize the ones that do or the dogs that they like. And by the same token the guys that hunt that hard and really work at getting/breeding/training a dog that goes as hard as they do should not criticize the guys that just do it for the fun/pleasure of it and want a more laid back hound. There are 2 different types of people in this world. There are the aggresive, competitive types and there are the fun loving types. Why can't we just accept that and learn to get along with each other.

Posted by Tim Trone on 09-11-2014 11:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I hope that the guys with those good cold nosed, open trailing Redbones are not counting on "Luck" to get them through. Hunting your dog every night for 30 days all by himself; getting to know exactly what he is telling you with that good open mouth; reading and studying the rules; learning to keep your cool and not getting riled up will take you a lot farther than "Luck". Also, all of the above will count a lot more than who your Judge/Guide is. A good team of dog/handler can overcome bad luck/breaks. The only problem is, there will be a lot of good teams that have done their homework hunting this weekend. If you haven't, don't blame it on "bad luck" if you get beat. Friday night is almost here. I hope that everyone is going to hit the road today and has a safe trip. Is anyone beginning to get a little nervous?

Exactly what it takes to win. Hard hunting and knowing yourself and your dog. Very well put.

Good luck to all and hope all have safe travels.

Posted by Hoosier Outlaw on 09-12-2014 03:56 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Myself, I would rather be good. Have you ever noticed how some dogs/handlers seem to create their own luck. A good experienced handler will find a coon if it is there even in a big leafy tree. A dog with more coon sense seems to always go the right way. A good broke dog will not stay in a hole or tile. He/she will go on and find another coon. And have you ever noticed how some handlers seem to always put forth a little more effort and work a little harder when it counts the most. They may not have the best dog but they come out ahead at the end of the night.

Like I said....when you get deep in a world hunt...chances are you and every other dog and handler are "good".....thats when I want luck on my side. You will tree more dens in the late rounds and most times you wont find them on a den. No doubt most dogs that get that far are good...but bad luck will put more than a few out of the running...seen it many times. Nobody should rely or luck...or expect it to win...but the truth is...most dogs who win a world title had a few lucky breaks and some things go their way in addition to being a good dog. Good luck to everyone heading to the zones!

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-12-2014 03:33 PM:

Well tonight is the first night on the journey to the top. I don't really care who it is, I just hope that a Redbone comes out on top. Good Luck and good dog to everyone and I hope that you handlers don't let your dog down.

Posted by jguilliams on 09-13-2014 04:15 PM:

It looks like Brian Layton, Joe Maitland, Doug Moore, Jeff Murphy and Darrin Gher all "got lucky" last night. Now for round two tonight.

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Posted by Sawblade on 09-13-2014 05:28 PM:

Congratulations

Way to go guys ,keep em winning. I'm pulling for all of you.

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Posted by sox12 on 09-13-2014 09:12 PM:

come on Redbones

Posted by jguilliams on 09-13-2014 11:07 PM:

I see where Darrin won his cast with 550+ last night. I hope that he has lock jaw tonight. That we would have to make me strike or tree my dog.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-14-2014 11:17 PM:

The zones/semis are over. Now it is on to the Finals. Who does Flow and Boone have in common? Who does Boone and Woody have in common? Who does Boone, Woody and Calli have in common?

Posted by cooter_hunter on 09-15-2014 12:39 AM:

That they all were lucky enough to get what seemed to be a good guide at least one night and end up with a good enough score to make it through the zones

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Posted by Sawblade on 09-15-2014 12:40 AM:

soup

I think you will find that they all soup nothing heavy line bred. I do believe you will find some Yellow River in more that one of them.

Posted by Sawblade on 09-15-2014 12:50 AM:

interesting

These dogs got a bunch of different stuff mixed together. I hope all 4 make it to the final round.

Posted by Brian Jennewein on 09-15-2014 02:13 PM:

Congrats to all the dogs going to the finals.Good luck this week.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-15-2014 02:48 PM:

Boone and Woody both have Moonlight Kate. Boone and Flow both have Hoffmeisters Rusty Red. Boone, Calli and Woody are all Outlaws. But Kelly, you are right. There are a lot of different Breeders represented in there. The Va Cartel/T-Top, Ragged Ridge CD, Hoffmeister, Mighty Oak/Steve-O, Moonlight, Nighty Nite, Outlaw, Pepper, Ranger, Yellow River, Sawblade, Twister and Fireball guys all have somebody to root for.
Now which one is going to be the 2014 World Champion Redbone?

Posted by Richard Lambert on 09-15-2014 03:00 PM:

Re: interesting

quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade
These dogs got a bunch of different stuff mixed together.

Flow is linebred Yellow River/Fireball X linebred Hoffmeister/Zack.
Boone is linebred T-Top/Bomber X Ragged Ridge/ Pepper/Kate.
Calli is linebred Outlaw X outcross.
Woody is linebred Moonlight Kate X Ranger who has a little BTK himself.

So the top contenders for the much coveted World Championship this year are a mixture of linebreeding with some outcrossing. I wonder if there are any lessons to be learned here? Where is Mike Grimes.

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