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New redone kennel pics

Just as soon as the rain slows down a bit,Going to take Top/AKA Topper and another pup and lay a drag for them. I'll let ya know how it goes,Danny G.

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Pm from a young man that owns one of these male pups!!

ALLBLUE92
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Gauge x Alice
my pups doin awesome and trackin and treeing every track i give him. i have a collered kit coon that i walk through the woods for him and he will open on track with it without ever seeing it. tree without ever seeing it using only his nose he is remarkiable. i wanted to thank you again for selling me him. he listens better than any other dog i have he sits stays heals bench broke. i cant wait for about another month to get him in the timber at night. good talking to you danny and happy hunting

NOTE!! This pup only went thru the early days of the net training program. This young man hunts hard and knows what he's doing. Great for him. He also finished 2 young hounds to nitech out of Pie and Alice cross and one other out of Gauge. Great job Jake and thanks,Danny G.

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Nice Kennel

Danny that's a nice Kennel you have there. Rain runs loose a lot here on the river and she stays busy hunting and smelling all over these woods. Sounded like she was treed the other day a couple hundred yards down a cypress bottom so I went to her but she had just found a turtle she was barking at. When I start her in a few months I guarantee she won't hang around your feet. She has a LOT of go and hunt in her already. Goes down and swims out in the river several times a day to cool off. Very smart pup. Take Care and Good Hunting!

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Steve

Good to hear your pup is staying active. I wish I had a place here to let them run but in my case,they won't go far with all the roads around me! Would be nice though! I had a chance t to get started with the chain gang part. Had them tied up for 20 minutes and just kept reassuring them that all was fine! They took it pretty good after the first 5 minutes or so. Also laid a drag for 2 male pups and they done well for the thier first time at doing it! Looks like the weather is going to start to cool down a bit so I can get Gauge in the timber. I just need to get a few more things done around the kennel so I can dedicate my time to these pups. Here's a vid of the pups on the chain,a short one and the 2 male pups first drag at the end treeing! Nice day today so I have to get them pups on the chain soon this morning before it gets to hot,Gotta go,Danny G.

Pups on chain vid

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Danny

Do you build your own dog houses or buy them? If ya buy em where do ya get them from

RAIN

Danny, my Uncle caught this coon out of his muscadine's last night and I went out and got him and drove up to my tractor and set trap on top fender out of sight from my kennel about 100 feet away. Planned on turning him loose for a young hound I have that needs a little more work on tracking a coon. 20 minutes later I turned Rain and Storm out and went and sat on porch to see if they would smell the coon and find him. It didn't take Rain 3 minutes to catch wind of him and zero in on back tire of tractor and she just fell treed. I have not fooled with her at all with a dead or alive coon and did not show her this coon or encourage her at all before this video was made. ALL NATURAL. She is super smart and keeps her nose on the ground or in the air winding around here on the river all the time. I put her up and turned coon a loose because she wouldn't leave or quit treeing. To young to start but love seeing a pup this natural acting. Click on picture to see video. Take Care and Good Hunting!

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Lookin good Steve!

I hunted Gauge last night for the first time. Took him with Ron Jackson's older female. We managed to get a coon up a tree,Gauge didn't do too much but did get a bit fired up about all the coon scent around the tree. Did what was needed and then cut him by hisself in another spot. He passed up a chance to get a couple of skunks along a field edge but went right by them, got to the corner struck a track and run it a 150 yards or so located up and started treein so we went to him and sure enough,he had treed 2 grinners up one tree. Looks like his game is going to get going pretty quick. If he can tree a grinner and as much as he hates a coon,should be easy going from here. His time has come to start hunting him 3 or 4 nites a week by hisself and see how things go! As far as the pups go,they just need to grow up so I can start putting the finishing touches on them. Later,Danny G.

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Gauge's first coon!!

Took Gauge out by hisself tonite,2nd nite he has been hunted and he treed a coon along a corn field. Older track that went up a small tree and up into a pin oak with a bunch of ivy vines. Took me a bit to find it but I did after shining a few minutes. He only opened on the track twice in the corn,got into the woods,worked it in for around 50 yards,3 big locates and came treed. I'm pretty excited about this youngster. He's seems like he has the tools upstairs,just some more hunting time and things should come around real nice I'm hopin! I'll post a vid in the mornin,Danny G.

First coon!!

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Robert

Thanks for the vids. I'm looking foward to you helping me with Gauge II on the bench! Thanks in advance,Danny G.

Pup looks real nice,thanks for sharing!!

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Re: Danny

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Gauge's first plywood trip!

On the hardwoods!Treed in a bunch of grape vines the other nite on an old bad track!! He's been hunted 4 nites to date and right now,laid up for a few days because he ran a thorn in his pad! Should be good to go huntin in a day or so!!

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Thanks for all this info...I am one of those guys that believes you can never learn too much and there is never only one way to do something. I always try new methods because all dogs being different may not respond alike to the same methods.
If it's not too much trouble would you please post the exact method you use to lay a track using a drag for the puppies to follow in detail??? Do you try to get the drag away from you with a long stick or just walk right beside it?? How long have you waited before walking the pups to the track?? How do most pups react the first time and what are you looking for them to do that causes you to stop laying artificial tracks and move on to the real thing??? How many times does the average pup usually need with a drag to get to this point?? Is it better if the ground is wet or bone dry?? I find that young dogs have a harder time running a live coon that has been soaked with water such as when they cross a stream, which is the opposite of what many folks believe, that they are easier to run. What is your experience with this???
I am going to guess and say that a dog 6 or 7 months old that has not been worked at all is too old to do the net/drag thing, is that true??? Thanks in advance for any info and thanks again for this informative thread!! Sorry if this is too many questions.

That's a bunch

And that' fine. You'll be surprized when I give you some answers to these! I'll return later,it's off to the shop for now,Danny G.

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Msinc, Method I use to lay a drag for the pups

Well,before I go over some things,alot are probably wondering what good this net does for as of now,most know that they have been treeing by sight as they chase the net and you swing it up the tree for them to tree on it! Right on,that's excactly what has been taking place.Watch the videos and that's what happens.Just like taking your son or daughter and get them started into baseball,first thing to come is T ball so they can learn how to hit the ball,then onto baseball itself. It does nothing more than conditioning them to learn how to swing the bat and hit a ball off a tee at first and they move on from there. Why do we start our kids off in preschool,because we want them to do well so they teach or condition them to learn at a young age. If not,why have 1st thru 6 grade and just start at grade 7. Kids learn best early on,hound pups do the same!! What is actually going on in these young pups mind,without realizing it is nothing more than what they are chasing is eventually going to go up a tree sooner or later. Believe it or not,that's what is going on in the pups mind. You,are implanting the chase and tree in the pups with nothing more then a game or simple training program that is repeated over and over and always ends with a 110% controlled positive out come from the start to the end. You don't want to over do it but what it boils down to in time is where ever the net goes,the pups chase and follow wether it be chasing,treeing and yes,in the lake teaching them to swim. At this stage,you have conditioned the pups to the point that thier ready to move on but not before they go thru the tying out part on the chain gang. Only then does one move on. OK,? number one! I use nothing more than the net itself with the best coon scent one can get ahold,Tucker's coon scent! I spray the net down with scent just before I lay the drag and here's where most will get confused as how to or how long do I lay the drag. Well,let me explain what I do and why because at this stage of the training it has alot to do with the outcome. As I mentioned before,everything that these pups have been conditioned to has been a 110% positive outcome at the end controlled by me so for sure you want to try and keep it that way when starting to lay a few drags. OK,plain and simple,with the net being scented up and pups in the back of the truck in a kennel crate,tailgate down,I start off by teasing the pups with the net before I start a VERY EASY short drag. Point here is you want the pups to succeed,not fail. Very important! Yes,they watch me the whole time for 50 yards or so with the net extended out so my scent doesn't interfere with the scent drag and I first spray some scent on the tree and then try to hide the net the best I can in the tree and yes,I have selected trees I use most of the time where I can lay the net up in the leafy branches where they have a hard time at first picking it out! That net is in the tree for a very good reason,because if they locate or get there noses working in the air,which is the first sign you are looking for and just can't seem to quite figure it out, be patient and give them a few minutes but not to long they loose focus. If they can't get it,get that net coming down,raise their iterest level with a short tease a bit and back up the tree reinforces the positive outcome for the pups. A time or two,most will figure it out pretty quick if the training was done right. When done right,get right in there and pet and praise them up for a job well done and repeated telling them to get on that tree. That's the first command I teach my pups always! Sometimes,the first time but usually,three drags does the trick. Not always! I always start by laying the drags and putting it up the same tree till they have it down and I do move a bit further away but not much and not really needed to do so. Most smart pups start to antisipate what tree and at that point,if it happens,just switch to a tree close by and I let them earn it! One thing one has to realize is that a pup is going to use 2 main senses that it was born with,always eyes first off,and what they can't see is followed by getting thier noses to working. This is where they start to switch over from sight treeing to treeing by using thier noses and working the scent trail to the end to where the trail ends and tree is located.It just that simple and that's the way I like to keep it!!Once they tree and use thier noses in the air to locate the tree with the net in it or if far enough along,coon scent sprayed on the tree for them to locate and tree on,the netand drags is totally out of the picture and for me the laying drags part is done. If you continue to lays drags over and over,for your own well being, without the thought of the outcome you have unknowningly caused, what is going to happen is the minute you start to hunt the pup at nite,first thing coming out of the box that is going to happen is nose is going to the ground and start looking for a track just as soon as thier feet hit the ground and you cut them loose. Few drags and watching for them using thier noses is key. I like to put the wind in mine and the pups favor. By doing this,most pups will get the scent and have thier head in the air first and then work to locate the tree. Once that happens,bingo,you just won!! Laying repeated drags is not doing anything for the pup after it has it down to work the drag and tree up. From there,it's timber time. As far as when I lay drags,always early morn when the dew is still on is best. Pups have cleaned out from the day before meal and most are going to be full of p!!! and vinegar first thing in the morning. Never in the afternoon when it's the hottest time of day,evenings are ok but morning is best! As far as a 6 or 7 month old pup with the net,never have done it and for my likings,I would do like I have the Gauge and 6 Pack pup. Not saying it wouldn't work,I just never have done it myself!For my likings,I like for a pup that age to be treeing it's own coon. As far as wetting a coon down leaving more or less scent,I've done it both ways with the same results! With that being said,What I do when taking the pups from the net and scent to turning a coon loose and by the way if they tree the first one,it's the last one,is to still try and keep it simple and positive as much as possilbe so I take the scent they have been trained on and spray the feet and underside of the coon before it is cut loose. I always let them see the first one going away from them across and open field and when the coon hits the timber cut them loose. If all goes well and on key,when they no longer can see it and you know by this time they are using thier noses to locate and tree, thier noses will go into over time and I'm here to tell ya,if all is done right from the start, Condition to chase and tree with the net,the pups will have that coon treed in short order most of the time!! It works for me!! Thanks msinc,I hope I covered it for ya,Danny G.

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Great post!!

Thanks for the very informative post Mr. Glista. I will give this a try and let you know how things go. Sorry you had to type so much but I am gonna guess and say that several others will benefit form this info as well. Best regards.

good info. thank you!

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To the one's that are following along! Thanks for the comments!

I have 4 male pups left here at the kennel and super reports from the ones that have left and have new owners. These 4 pups have just gotten thier rabies shots and some real live action will be happening real soon with these pups. I still continue to tie them out on the chain gang,gaining as much trust from them as I can. Petty and praising for all they have achieved to this point. Moving on,being patient is key,thier just 4 1/2 months old so no need to rush now. At 5 months,Oct 6th,the serious part of what they have learned will be put to the test and yes,see it right here in a video taken by me. I have full confidense that these pups will not let me down. They have got what it takes and soon they with have the chance to show me and all watching in. Stay tuned because this is where the true fun and enjoyment of this training program makes it all worth while for the little effort and time spent to get 4, five month old pups to run and tree a coon. First as a group,remembering the boldness and pack results in the numbers factor. Then to the woods at nite by themselves! You just have to love training pups!! Stay tuned,Danny G.

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Gauge x 6 Pack pup

Took Gauge for a drop tonite. Did a real nice job on a coon. Called Kevin so he could hear him treeing. Came back and loaded up Alice II,aka/Sassy and cut her loose 3 times in the same piece of timber,three trees ans saw 2 eyes looking down in each. She did super nice job!! Time for some shut eye!!The Gauge pup has been to the woods 5 nites now and is showing he has the tools. Going to hunt all nite Friday nite and see how things go.Later,Danny

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mr.glista

Really enjoy the info on this thred looking forward to trying this on my puppy's iv got to get me some tuckers coon cent and be ready for the time to come what age do you have best results on starting the little ones on net and do you soaknet in cent are just put a little on it . latter Jason

mr.glista

Really enjoy the info on this thred looking forward to trying this on my puppy's iv got to get me some tuckers coon cent and be ready for the time to come what age do you have best results on starting the little ones on net and do you soaknet in cent are just put a little on it . latter Jason