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Posted by pamjohnson on 08-06-2014 01:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Duke Proulx
"3 legged dog in a,hunt "are saying that is foolish? I'm unsure of the intend of your quote but if you think a 3 legged dog can't compete your terribly mistaken and I can prove it
Pkc gold ch and a ukc grand night ch while 3 legged

if you had a 3 legged dog that couldn't compete or please you how long would you work with it? that's his point im pretty sure. which is a good point.

Posted by Carl Fox on 08-06-2014 02:01 PM:

MOST DOGS DON'T NEED MORE HEART THEY NEED MORE BRAINS!!!

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Posted by msinc on 08-06-2014 02:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Carl Fox
MOST DOGS DON'T NEED MORE HEART THEY NEED MORE BRAINS!!!

You might could say that about a lot of people I know as well!!! Hell, I can say that about my **** self!!!

Posted by Carl Fox on 08-06-2014 02:53 PM:

LOL. You got that right if i had the brains i would have been the one that invented all that microsoft hardware not Bill Gates.lol.

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Posted by jackbob42 on 08-07-2014 11:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Duke Proulx
"3 legged dog in a,hunt "are saying that is foolish? I'm unsure of the intend of your quote but if you think a 3 legged dog can't compete your terribly mistaken and I can prove it
Pkc gold ch and a ukc grand night ch while 3 legged

I agree they can compete.
I remember reading about a 3 legged dog that won a world championship back in the mid-60's.
It was a male walker , but I can't recall his name.

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Posted by POTOMAC on 08-08-2014 12:05 AM:

Most these dogs being bred today don't have any desire or heart to absolutely hunt instead of eat or anything else!!!! Well when these guys are breeding two dogs which niether carry these traits the pups sure aren't gonna have it !!! And that is a trait that isn't trained into a dog it's born in them and if you think yours will change overnight and suddenly have it your lieing to yourself!!!! Now I'm not one that looks to cull in the normale method used cause as far as I'm concerned it's not the dogs fault the ones that should be culled is the ones making the crosses !!!! But they will not stay here long if they don't get gone at an early age and reality is maybe one in a hundred can take correction without given up on ya!!! But all in all as far as I'm concerned it's just as much the breeders fault as it is the dogs!!!! But he has an all grand pedigree!!! 6 generations and can throw 7 got to have him!!!!!! Lmao. We did this to ourselves bad we are the only ones who can fix it but the opportunities are running slim!!!

Posted by Fisher13 on 08-08-2014 01:08 PM:

Traditionally speaking weren't hounds bred to work within pack not only that most hunters preferred a hound to check in and take the cold tracks and work them up.
Isn't in just the past 20 to 30 years hunters have desired independent, no reverse, medium to hot nosed, get treed quick type of hounds?

So in reality aren't the demands of many hunters today are going against 100s of years of breeding. Asking a hound to work outside of the pack, get deep alone, and stay hooked right or wrong?

Yet isn't the op referencing the hounds he used to hunt, saying the hounds of old were better then the ones of today. I personally think one can easily forget those rough nights, and sentimental memories can blind ones judgment.

Posted by chip johnson on 08-08-2014 03:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fisher13
Traditionally speaking weren't hounds bred to work within pack not only that most hunters preferred a hound to check in and take the cold tracks and work them up.
Isn't in just the past 20 to 30 years hunters have desired independent, no reverse, medium to hot nosed, get treed quick type of hounds?

So in reality aren't the demands of many hunters today are going against 100s of years of breeding. Asking a hound to work outside of the pack, get deep alone, and stay hooked right or wrong?

Yet isn't the op referencing the hounds he used to hunt, saying the hounds of old were better then the ones of today. I personally think one can easily forget those rough nights, and sentimental memories can blind ones judgment.

you got that right!!!

Posted by JiM on 08-08-2014 04:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Fisher13
Traditionally speaking weren't hounds bred to work within pack not only that most hunters preferred a hound to check in and take the cold tracks and work them up.
Isn't in just the past 20 to 30 years hunters have desired independent, no reverse, medium to hot nosed, get treed quick type of hounds?

So in reality aren't the demands of many hunters today are going against 100s of years of breeding. Asking a hound to work outside of the pack, get deep alone, and stay hooked right or wrong?

Dogs hunting alone may be more a result of how they are started and trained than breeding. Twenty years ago and before, pups were started in pack formats and always hunted with other dogs. So how you think they are gonna hunt from then on?
Today those pups are often started and hunted alone and with the Garmins, it is instantly known when a pup drops a track to cover a tree and many times they get shocked for it. The new generation of trainers will not hesitate to shock a dog for covering another dogs tree. So how you think those dogs are gonna hunt? They are gonna hunt alone and often times, their first priority is to get away from any other dogs simply because they relate being around other dogs with getting shocked.
Breeding likely plays a role in how they hunt today but I'm very sure in my own mind that the Garmin/TriTronics and how we train them plays the bigger role.

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 08-08-2014 05:22 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Dogs With Heart???!!!

quote:
Originally posted by roadrunner22
I may take some heat for this but i think you nailed it. People put up with to much bs from dogs now days. Just look at some of these thread titles on here. "Hunting a 3 legged dog in hunts" LOL (may not need culled but lol all the same), "Dog hides from me when treed", "My dog is a barking idiot". Why not just get a decent dog instead of trying to fix something thats wrong with a dog mentally? At least PLEASE don't breed these types all you are gonna do is make more crazy dogs. Sorry for hi jacking the thread and sorry if I hurt anybody's feelings but I had to say it

What's wrong with a three legged dog? I got one here that has more heart and drive than any dog I have ever owned, and I hunt a lot of Harry bred walkers. He still goes just as hard as he did on four legs.

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