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Posted by Brierly2011 on 05-02-2014 12:56 AM:

Re: Slick Trees

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Originally posted by randy baxley
I HAVE A ALMOST 5 YEAR OLD WALKER THAT I HAVE HAD FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, GREAT TREE DOG BUT WAY TO MANY SLICK TREES. ANYWAY TO BREAK THIS, THANKS

JMO at that age he will be hard to break from slick treeing. Doesn't hurt to try things to correct him but the odds usually isn't in the dogs favor....

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Posted by David Morgan on 05-02-2014 01:38 AM:

If you can hear the difference in the dogs mouth on slicks versus meat, I think correction will help. If he locates and trees the same either way, it hopeless.

Posted by msinc on 05-02-2014 03:59 AM:

Re: msinc

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Originally posted by lraines
I too thought maybe squirrel's were just an excuse for my dog also. Then one day I deciced too take him out in daytime and see what happened. WELL needless to say they were not an excuse but a HUGE problem. This dam dog would get treed all over the place and guess what some times with or without a squirrel. I would keep my distance so he could not see me and procedded to electrocuting him on every tree he made the first day. the second day every time he opened is mouth he got fried, by the time the third day rolled around he hunted for 2.5 hours and covered an unreal amount of ground and guess what no barks. Well as a spring 1 year old I made to the semifinals at the superstakes without a single minus tree. You tell me if those boogers are not the problem with super tree minded dogs of today.

You went during the day and you saw some of the squirrels. I have no problem believing that and agreeing with what you are saying. What I said was that in four years time and tens of thousands of trail camera photos the two animals I have never seen after dark at any of my feeders are gray squirrels and fox squirrels. If they moved at night after dark I would have at least captured one. I even have photos of some kind of strange animal that nobody knows what it is. So, I have a hard time believing I haven't seen a squirrel move at night in four years but these guys are "treeing squirrels" every time they go hunting 1:00am in the morning????
I took a break from coon hunting and am just this past 6 months or so getting back into it. I last had dogs in 1995 or 96. Back then dogs simply slick treed. Nobody blamed it on squirrels. Now, it seems like it is better to say it's a squirrel instead of saying the dog is lying because I guess it sounds better that the dog actually did smell and follow an animal. I don't get it either way...the cold hard fact is whichever, lying, slick or squirrel, the dog aint running and treeing a coon.
Back in the day {and even now} we had our excuse stories too...the old famous bobcat that the dogs "tree" and then "he jumps out when he sees your light coming thru the woods"....yeah right, we finally took three wheelers and said Mr. Bobcat will run out of gas before we do. He did...but it wasn't no bobcat. It was a deer. It would get tired of running and the dogs would bay it. The only thing true about the old famous bobcat that jumps out was that for sure he would take off when he seen our lights.

Posted by joey on 05-02-2014 05:13 AM:

Re: Re: msinc

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Originally posted by msinc
You went during the day and you saw some of the squirrels. I have no problem believing that and agreeing with what you are saying. What I said was that in four years time and tens of thousands of trail camera photos the two animals I have never seen after dark at any of my feeders are gray squirrels and fox squirrels. If they moved at night after dark I would have at least captured one. I even have photos of some kind of strange animal that nobody knows what it is. So, I have a hard time believing I haven't seen a squirrel move at night in four years but these guys are "treeing squirrels" every time they go hunting 1:00am in the morning????

Flying squirrels are nocturnal. You hardly ever see them because they run from a light but you can here them. Ever been just standing around and here what sounds like a mouse squeaking? Its a flying squirrel. When they tree them you hardly ever find them unless they panic and fly from one tree to another. I treed a fox squirrel 1 time at night that I seen.

They best gyp I ever had at about 17 months old went from being accurate to treeing all over the place. I took her in the day time and she started running a squirrel I seen on the ground. I hit her on number 6 and it cut my treeing in 1/2.

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Posted by snowcreekkennel on 05-02-2014 01:15 PM:

BOBCAT

Cats don't run in a straight line like a deer. They have a very small lung capacity and can't run for long periods at a time. They'll run til they get winded then go up a tree catch there breath and most of the time the dogs will catch up and tree him. By the time yu get caught up with em the cats got his wind back and he jumps out and is on the run again. Me and a buddy were hunting one night near a cut over that's loaded with cats ( I know for a fact it its because I trap and catch at least two there every year I set it)

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Posted by snowcreekkennel on 05-02-2014 01:22 PM:

And his dog struck them mine did and they took off like a rocket. I thought it was a deer or bear but then they treed we started in to em didnt get far and they pulled and started running again, but instead of goin in a straight line they started comin around back to us. They would tree it then run tree then run and that went on for a good hour or two. My buddy wanted to try and catch em and go home. I said I wanna see what there runnin and whatever it is well eventually give out and we'd see what it was so we could fix the problem and not for sure so we wouldn't be makin excuses our lien about our dogs. Well they ran all dern

Posted by snowcreekkennel on 05-02-2014 01:39 PM:

continued

Night and half the day it seemed but we finally got caught up with em a little before daylight that mornin and sure enough it was a bobcat not a big one it was a 17 lb female but dogs sure got it good when we caught up to them. I told my buddy to take the dogs back to the truck I was gunna knock it out. I did and I skinned it for him and he sent it off to get tanned and he kept the skull too. So it aint the light scaring em they just catching their breath. It's not uncommon at all to run em round here cuz of all the cut overs.

Posted by snowcreekkennel on 05-02-2014 01:45 PM:

I know for a fact they have small lung capacity too cuz when I catch em I use my catch pole to choke em out. A big ol´ Tom will go out in about 20-25 seconds and females I've seen some not last 15 seconds. I've snared a few too and they don't even disturb the logs or trails I catch em on. A fox or coyote will demolish a trail and work on a log crossing a creek too. I used the same snare and caught 2 cats with it and a gray Fox on a log last year the fix done it in. Well enough of my rambling just thought I'd share my experience on the bobcat thing. Y'all fellas have a good one and don't tree em all!!!!

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