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Posted by RED REBELS on 04-25-2014 05:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
What about Nighty Night Kennels and the Nighty Night line? Where did it start. Does it even have a starting point or dog? The guy that has it has put so much effort, thought, time and research into it that a lot of people say that he is "Crazy". I don't know where it started but I do think that I know where it is going. It seems that it is a big conglomeration of lines but I do believe that there is a method to the madness. One of these days we are going to have a line of All Grand Redbones.

Didnt part of their line start with Kate pups? I know they had the "nighty night" line before Kate but didnt some of their most recent ones start with Kate, or maybe it was Kate offspring?

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Posted by Preston Owens on 04-25-2014 10:09 PM:

sorry i took so long

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Preston, did Melton's Big Red belong to Joe or his brother? If he belonged to Joe, was he the first coonhound that Joe owned? Did Joe breed Susie to Big Red or was she owned by someone else????????



call Joe he will tell ya all about it

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Posted by TRRedbones on 04-26-2014 03:16 AM:

Razor has been gone 3 years now. We have semen put away on him that we use for ourselves when we want puppies. We have a litter every 1-2 years- the youngest litter was born on April 15, 2014.

Razor is IN FACT the breed's #1 reproducer. You can try to discredit that, but you would just look foolish doing so. Until a dog comes up and bumps him from the top, he will remain there, just as his great-grand sire Ace did before him.

I do NOT get on this board anymore, in part, because I just don't indulge in the trash talking about anyone else's dogs- and Rob has NEVER been on this site because he does not use the computer-ever.

If anyone would like information on Razor, there is no better place to get it than from us. We bought Razor at age TWO. We owned him until he died, just shy of 14. Rob has hunted pups out of him since for the past 10 years. His number is 937-336-1997. You are welcome to call & ask questions if you would like info on Razor.

To everyone, enjoy your dogs, don't let anyone tell you that your line is "wrong" or "not good enough." People are full of opinions. Just find what makes you happy and roll with it. We wish everyone luck in 2014 as you bring out your young dogs and your all-stars.

God bless.

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GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' Tree Rizin' Case Double X {Razor X NTCH April}


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* 2001 National Redbone Days Best Overall Dog of Hunt

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Posted by BARRY C MORRIS on 04-27-2014 05:22 PM:

Re: Re: Question

quote:
Originally posted by RED REBELS
Because he's not outlaw bred. He was bought, then named/titled under said name then sold to the Childers.He also reproduces a different "style" dog them the original outlaw strain.

FACTS!!!

RED REBELS
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Registered: Oct 2007
Location: Edgar WI
Posts: 3084
Congrats!
How is "Jeff's outlaw pearl bred? Seems to me that Razor crosses EXTREMELY WELL on the "original outlaw" strain of dogs, and I'm curious if this dog is just another fine example.

Again congratulations, and good luck in the future I'm sure you guys will do great


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GRCH FCH 'PR' Extreme's Gunna Show'em Up (Jake)
points to WCH
win to GRFCH
2013 WI State Sporting Dog Field Trial Dog of the Year
'PR' All Grand Stylish Lady
points to CH
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IS THIS THE DIFFERENT "STYLE" DOG YOU WERE REFERRING TO ???

REMEMBER, KID HAS ONE SHOT OF BILLY THE KID IN HIS 5th GENERATION TOO. WHY YOU THINK WE CALL HIM "DA KID" ???

SEE YOU AT THE NEXT TREE.
- DR GUMMY


Posted by RED REBELS on 04-27-2014 08:47 PM:

Re: Re: Re: Question

quote:
Originally posted by BARRY C MORRIS
RED REBELS
UKC Forum Member

Registered: Oct 2007
Location: Edgar WI
Posts: 3084
Congrats!
How is "Jeff's outlaw pearl bred? Seems to me that Razor crosses EXTREMELY WELL on the "original outlaw" strain of dogs, and I'm curious if this dog is just another fine example.

Again congratulations, and good luck in the future I'm sure you guys will do great


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GRCH FCH 'PR' Extreme's Gunna Show'em Up (Jake)
points to WCH
win to GRFCH
2013 WI State Sporting Dog Field Trial Dog of the Year
'PR' All Grand Stylish Lady
points to CH
www.nextstepscoonhounds.com



IS THIS THE DIFFERENT "STYLE" DOG YOU WERE REFERRING TO ???

REMEMBER, KID HAS ONE SHOT OF BILLY THE KID IN HIS 5th GENERATION TOO. WHY YOU THINK WE CALL HIM "DA KID" ???

SEE YOU AT THE NEXT TREE.
- DR GUMMY



No, I was referring to the fact that razor and outlaw cross well together.

If you want to know the answer to what the real differences are, they had a litter born directly off razor, go buy one, then go buy one of those outlaw dogs, there is a litter off BJ coming up (direct BTK daughter) and decide for yourself what the differences are. They both will have the breeding to make it, and prolly both would make someone very happy, but I bet both dogs have different styles. Such as tree style, mouth style, hunt styles (straight line, gradual circles ect) and so on, THAT'S what I mean by different styles

Now of you are truly interested, you are more than welcome to ask me questions, but I do not feel that you really care about my answer.

Yes I'm an outlaw lover, but I'm not blind to other lines. Show me a good dog and I'll tell others about what a nice dog it is, show me a bad one and i'll ignore your posts about it.

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Posted by RedScorpion on 04-28-2014 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I have so many "questions" and no answers this morning.
What about Johnny Coffman's line of Redbones, Jericho, ZBO, Smoky, Little Joe? Have I left any out? Johnny must have started before I was born. Was Coffman's Little Joe the first one? I wonder who he was out of?




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Posted by awfred on 04-29-2014 01:14 AM:

Richard

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
I have so many "questions" and no answers this morning.
What about Johnny Coffman's line of Redbones, Jericho, ZBO, Smoky, Little Joe? Have I left any out? Johnny must have started before I was born. Was Coffman's Little Joe the first one? I wonder who he was out of?



I think Little Joe was out of Hunters Timber Chopper and Red Hattie, but I see another Coffman dog farther back called Nitech Coffman's Big Boss Man, on some of my old papers.


Posted by Danny McCleskey on 04-29-2014 12:57 PM:

Re: Richard

quote:
Originally posted by awfred
I think Little Joe was out of Hunters Timber Chopper and Red Hattie, but I see another Coffman dog farther back called Nitech Coffman's Big Boss Man, on some of my old papers.

Does your pedigree go back far enough to show who Coffmans Big Boss Man's sire was. I was thinking he was sired by Coffmans Little Joe.

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GrNiteCh GrCh Key River Rock

1992 Autumn Oaks National Grand Nite Ch Redbone
1992 Autumn Oaks - Overall High Scoring Redbone
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GrNiteCh Flint Creek Hustlin Amy
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NiteCh Flint Creek Miss Minnie
NiteCh GrCh Flint Creek Red Champ
NiteCh Guinns Rusty


Posted by Danny Patterson on 04-29-2014 02:35 PM:

Re: Re: Richard

quote:
Originally posted by Danny McCleskey
Does your pedigree go back far enough to show who Coffmans Big Boss Man's sire was. I was thinking he was sired by Coffmans Little Joe.


Boss Man was out of Little Joe and Red Kate


Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-29-2014 03:52 PM:

Coffman's Little Joe was out of Max Hunter's Timber Chopper who was out of Max Hunter's True Too. So Mr Hunter and the great Timber Chopper Line actually started with Hunter's True Too. I wonder why they aren't called True Too hounds. What does Hunters Timber Chopper's 4 gen pedigree look like. Was he an outcross or was he linebred? Isn't it amazing that every great kennel's line started with someone elses line.


Posted by Crazy Luke on 04-29-2014 07:13 PM:

True Too

Richard, probably a question for Danny Mclesky. Although I am pretty sure Glenn Bosely named him . The story was in the Coonhound bloodlines a few years back and told by Max Hunter, but I stayed at Glenns house a few times and can remember him telling me the same. Fellows, do we really want to go that far back. Although I have said before that almost all redbones go back to the same few dogs and that we have come a long way from the walk hunt dogs that Glenn bred. I know I had them. He had no tracker, so bred dogs to fill his needs. I think any time a dog wins consistently in big hunts or shows, or is on the reproducers list, people tend to want offspring from that dog and ask for it by the dogs name. (example) Sidearm, American Patriot, Razor Red, Yellow River, T-Top and the list goes on. I guess one of the reasons the redbone breed has lagged behind in the hunts is the jealousy that exits between owners of redbones and their inability to want to go away from their stock of dogs. This told to me by other respectable breed owners. I hope I don't exhibit that kind of attitude, although I only breed dogs for my own use. Well good luck to all. Mark Lucas


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