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Posted by Jackson87 on 04-11-2014 11:19 AM:

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X2.This works good for me.

Posted by Budly on 04-11-2014 12:41 PM:

Cheap dog food

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Originally posted by CSnowgren
Feed as clean a burning food as you can afford. They will overheat about the same pace year around. You can delay it a bit with a well conditioned dog but not for very long. Your battle is cooling them back down so they can hit peak output again, and repeat. THAT requires more than food. Many, many things will cause a dog to have difficulties cooling back down to the level to hit peak again. After a few times, that "peak" peters out to overworked. That is why it is important to feed the best that you can afford and not what is cheap. Many never hit that level and swear up and down that the cheap stuff works for them. It probably does but not for the reasons they want you to believe. Next to a well bred dog with plenty of boot leather laid behind him, a top quality feed and conditioning program is a very tightly guarded process. The more cheap crap they can get you to feed, the better their chances of staying in the winners circle. Problem is, there are a lot of cheerleaders that will tell you different.

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Posted by TJ Turner on 04-11-2014 08:30 PM:

Dog Chow

We feed the good ol Dog Chow. We have them on auto feeders and they seem to enjoy it and stay it perfect fit all year long!!

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-11-2014 09:57 PM:

Re: Dog Chow

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Originally posted by TJ Turner
We feed the good ol Dog Chow. We have them on auto feeders and they seem to enjoy it and stay it perfect fit all year long!!

"Perfect" is open to interpretation.

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Posted by DocAcumen on 04-12-2014 08:55 AM:

Y'all think it is that easy?

REALLY?

It is what is best for the dog in question!
No different that humans....

Not all are created EQUAL!

Pretty simple!!!!

Do all brothers , sisters in the human race gain loose weight the same?

It is all about the make up of the one in question!
Just work to find what works best for the one dog or human in question!

It is not MAGIC!

I know that it can work that way. But, it is not always that way.

Ever meet two men that have the same parents? One is 6'4" and 250# of solid muscle, and his brother is 2 years older , or younger ? and is 5'7" and skinny as all get out, or a real pudgy guy?

Both eat pretty much the same, just one has different genetic make up than the other.... even though they are full blooded brothers!

Keep it simple!!! Feed what works for the individual!!!!!

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-12-2014 01:46 PM:

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Originally posted by DocAcumen
Y'all think it is that easy?

REALLY?

It is what is best for the dog in question!
No different that humans....

Not all are created EQUAL!

Pretty simple!!!!

Do all brothers , sisters in the human race gain loose weight the same?

It is all about the make up of the one in question!
Just work to find what works best for the one dog or human in question!

It is not MAGIC!

I know that it can work that way. But, it is not always that way.

Ever meet two men that have the same parents? One is 6'4" and 250# of solid muscle, and his brother is 2 years older , or younger ? and is 5'7" and skinny as all get out, or a real pudgy guy?

Both eat pretty much the same, just one has different genetic make up than the other.... even though they are full blooded brothers!

Keep it simple!!! Feed what works for the individual!!!!!

An opinion worthy of credibility usually must start with a solid foundation of fact. The canine and human biochemistry are vastly different. Therefore comparing them is an error. The daily performance that a human and canine are capable of.....again is vastly different. A canine can put in much more work than a human on a daily basis. Your opinion is certainly valuable to you but not very realistic in terms of facts. Feeding for performance and obtaining maximum performance from a dog isn't simple. In a statistical group, you will always have standard deviations from the mean average. Hanging your hat on those standard deviations will also get you in trouble be it breeding, performance, or otherwise. One must assume their dog is no different than the mean average of all dogs when it comes to biochemistry, nutrition demands, and expected work output in order to build a program that works best for that dog. Speaking of mean average....that is where most owners fall in as well. For some, it is too much for them to be able to categorize and apply, others simply will never have a desire to get the maximum out of their dog. Either one is fine.

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Posted by nick borkovich on 04-12-2014 10:40 PM:

csnowgren

I have been reading your posts sounds like you no what your talking about and work in a feed mill or something . what are you feeding your hounds or what do you recommend.

Posted by Billy George on 04-12-2014 11:01 PM:

Re: Purina

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Purina one lamb and rice 26/16 is that work , does anybody feed it.

Works good for me. I use pro plan in the winter,and when hunting hard.

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Posted by tn backwoods on 04-13-2014 03:09 AM:

Black gold is the best feed I have ever fed I have a dog that use to get really got and at times would burn down quick after I started him on black gold he doesn't get near as hot. Was amazed at how much less black gold that I feed now compared to what I used to and a lot less clean up in the kennels

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Posted by Matt McKinney on 04-13-2014 03:45 AM:

I like the diamond naturals beef and rice. 28.00 for a 40 lb bag. Dogs do great on it. No grains or corn.

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-13-2014 03:46 PM:

Re: csnowgren

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Originally posted by nick borkovich
I have been reading your posts sounds like you no what your talking about and work in a feed mill or something . what are you feeding your hounds or what do you recommend.

I feed EA with an added supplement during the hard hunting season for the most part. I don't work in a feed mill. Just a lot of experience and an intense interest in feeding for performance.

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 04-13-2014 04:29 PM:

Dog food.........

They are just dogs, most will do good on about anything you feed them.
I have fed about every feed available, from the cheapest to the most expensive, it all depends on the dog you are feeding.
I have seen some do great on Ol' Roy, but you try them on EA or Pro Plan and they don't look as good, and yes I gradually increased the amount of new feed from the old, and yes I kept them on the new for several months with dif hunting conditions to see the full impact of the new feed.

For example, I have one hound that it very hard to keep weight on him with EA, even with adding a can of Mackerel to his feed a couple of times a week. His hair was looking dull.
About a month ago I switched him to Sportmix 26/18 and with 2 weeks I noticed a big dif in him, putting weight on, hair is shiny, tons of energy, been hunting him 4-5 nights a week. Almost no clean up in the pen, and it's not the beet pulp to tighten the stool, I am talking very little stool. But with the EA there was a lot, wasn't over feeding either.
He did extremely well on just plain Dog Chow, with the same amount of hunting.

Just one feed for all your dogs might not work.

I have done this "test" b4,......
Throw a rotten carcus of about any varmint down and next to it a bowl full of the "Best" dog food you can find and turn your dog loose, see which he / she prefers.......

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Posted by CSnowgren on 04-13-2014 04:58 PM:

A large part of the canine biochemistry evolved as scavengers. Because of that, they can survive on some of the most rancid stuff, including cheaply thrown together dog food. I certainly don't want to "appeal" to that aspect just because I can and it is cheap. I would rather appeal to the hunter/predator aspect of their biochemistry. The more successful performing canines are hunters and predators. The sorry azz canines have to resort to scavenging. I'll feed the high octane stuff to appeal to their maximum performance.

Edit: One other thing....while individual canines are different, the ingredients of the feed all do the same thing. Of course there are variances in quality but as far as what they provide to the canine biochemistry, that doesn't change. In terms of performance, feeding them the maximum that you can will always put you a step ahead of those that feed "to get by".

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Posted by TJ Turner on 04-13-2014 09:27 PM:

Re: Re: Dog Chow

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Originally posted by CSnowgren
"Perfect" is open to interpretation.

i say perfect but i mean pretty dang good shape!!

Posted by IBowles on 04-13-2014 10:07 PM:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gregory Kemp
Pro Plan Performance.
I tried the diamond E.A. and I am a firm believer in the summer a dog will over heat by feeding it. My dogs after making a tree wanted to drink 2 gallon of water which in turn also can cause bloat in a dog. Diamond also has a lot of recalls which is not good. You can look up dog food recalls if ya dont believe that. This is just my opinions, and your dogs may do good on the E. A.
But, Pro Plan Performance does me and my dogs the best. [/Q

I agree on the diamond I use to swear by it until the recall. I feed the victor for awhile until the feed mill I was getting it from couldn't keep it in there I had to feed purnia 4 different times. So I switch to purina sport and loved it.

Posted by Jackson87 on 04-14-2014 01:04 AM:

I have one dog with some thin hair id like to try Proplan on.At 48 bucks a bag it hard to tell myself it's worth it.

Posted by mauser06 on 04-14-2014 02:30 AM:

For you guys fetoing high end food....diamond EA for example...how much are you feeding a day???

I plugged in my 70# dog weight (on the high side) and even highly active or heavy working the calculator said something like half a cup based on the calories in diamond EA...that just doesn't seem right?

Right now he lives at my buddies....he feeds pedigree...when I am home I feed Purina pro plan...he looks good....but when he is on straight pedigree he looks like he is starved...and eats twice as much....

I wanna switch to something good...

He is a weird dog...harder I hunt him the less he eats...so I need something to give him all he needs....

Was going to try diamond as it sems highly recommended on here...but don't know how much a 70# +/- 5-10# dog will need a day? I've heard too much is as bad as junk food...so I wanna know before I try....

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Posted by Truth on 04-14-2014 02:50 AM:

Perfect feed

Blue Buffalo

Don't get fat, always have energy, and their crap doesn't stink.

You can breath around your kennel.

you feed 3-4 cups a day. Cost less than all the rest of filler dog foods.

feed the best , hunt the best, and cost a lot less. less cost at the vet,
and at the kennel, And a whole lot cleaner.

In the long term.

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Posted by CSnowgren on 04-14-2014 03:05 AM:

Re: Perfect feed

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Blue Buffalo

Don't get fat, always have energy, and their crap doesn't stink.

You can breath around your kennel.

you feed 3-4 cups a day. Cost less than all the rest of filler dog foods.

feed the best , hunt the best, and cost a lot less. less cost at the vet,
and at the kennel, And a whole lot cleaner.

In the long term.

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And at the end of the day, or the dogs life, you can rest easy knowing that you gave them every chance a good dogman should.

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Posted by snowcreekkennel on 04-14-2014 03:35 AM:

purina

Does anybody on here know of any dealers that sale purina in Virginia or near the Virginia/Carolina line. Can yu get that purina pro plan that everybody talks about at wal mart or do yu have to go to a feed mill or tractor supply or southern states ive done some searchin on google and purina website and haven't had any luck not real computer savvy thanks for any help guys!!! And girls too lol!!!

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Posted by CSnowgren on 04-14-2014 03:38 AM:

Not that my opinion matters but the only Purina I would feed is Pro Plan Performance.

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Posted by snowcreekkennel on 04-14-2014 05:22 AM:

csnowgren

Where do yu get that pro plan performance at? I only have 2 dogs a 9 month od walker gyp and a 10 week old walker pup do yu think it would work good for the pup or would I need a puppy chow??? I fed Black Gold for a couple of years til the guy that sold it moved and I had excellent results with it easy cleanup and didn't have to feed as much and dogs looked great and performed I was hunting 6 to 7 nights a week at the time year round and they done great for me then switched to Diamond fed it for about 6 months seems like it ran straight thru my dogs. then switched to pride in the black bag for a good while and had great luck with it too. took a 2 year vacation from chasin dogs and just recently got back into it couldn't stay away lol but im feeding pride black bag now and the price has went way up and the quality seems to have went way down!!! I have heard a lot of good things about purina feed but just don't know where to get it around here thanks for the help!!!

Posted by Gabe Webb on 04-14-2014 03:20 PM:

River Run 30/20 Professional

For my hounds I have found that River Run 30/20 works really well. Full of energy and doesn't overheat. I have tried many foods and this is one works great. Easy clean up in the pen also.

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Posted by Budly on 04-14-2014 06:45 PM:

are you kidding?

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Not that my opinion matters but the only Purina I would feed is Pro Plan Performance.

Junk Food. http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_...400&cat=all

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-14-2014 07:43 PM:

Re: are you kidding?

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Junk Food. http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_...400&cat=all

That is interesting. It seems like all of their formulas had a drastic overhaul after Nestle took them over. I can assure you that this was not the original. There was a time when Pro Plan Performance was arguably the best feed available. The mid to late 90's seen an uptick in performance formulas and due to cost, PPP got left behind. With this different formula, its a good thing. That ingredient list sucks. Glad I don't feed it.

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