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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-21-2014 12:51 PM:

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Originally posted by MikeR
john
I'm not sure I agree but I could be wrong. The example you gave is a SCORING situation not a SCRATCHABLE offense.

I've never seen a situation where a dog fight occured and a hunting judge scratched a dog or dogs involved where their decision to scratch dog(s) was questioned and a vote was called for.

If a scratchable offense (fighting in this case) can be questioned, voted on and overturned then I fail to see what a purpose of a hunting judge is then except to act as secretary for a cast? What if it's a 3 dog cast and 2 buddy's always question a judges call, vote and overturn it. What authority does a judge have as stated in the rule book if EVERYTHING can be questioned, voted on and potentially overturned .

The rule books states criteria for jselection of judges and we always hear and read about strong honest and fair judges who control a cast vs. weak judges that let things get out of control. I guess I can't comprehend how a judge can be a strong judge and have authority when every call they make can potentially be over ruled.

I'm going to call Paul Fredrick for clarification on a hunting judges authority in a scratchable offense situation.

Mike keep in mind that every other cast member must vote the same to overturn a judges call, it doesnt happen often. If overturned a judge would still be able to place a ? on the card for a ruleing by the MOHs.
The scratchable situation is the perfect example.
The judges dog (A)and another dog (B)get in a fight, the judge only scratches dog(B) ... Dog Bs handler feels both dogs should be scratched so he calls for a cast vote, If handlers C and D vote that both dogs deserve to be scratched the judge is overturned.

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Posted by MikeR on 03-21-2014 02:21 PM:

john
I just talked to Allen and he explianed it in detail. All calls/decisions made by a judge even scratching for fighting can be questioned, put to a vote and potentially overturned.

I stand corrected. Who says an old dog can't learn a new trick . Thanks for keeping me straight!

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Posted by Daniel D. on 03-21-2014 02:49 PM:

Thats Not true

A majority vote can not over turn a hunting judge if the judge is going by the rules that are on back of the score card or in a ukc rule book.

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
Mike maybe you and i are just misunderstanding each other.
ANY call made by a hunting judge can be overturned by a majority vote of the cast. ANY CALL.
The situations you listed from the rules are always decided by a vote.

Sundog eventhough you knew that a vote wouldnt help you in this situation, you need to know that you can always call for a cast vote on any call made by a hunting judge.

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Posted by shorecooner on 03-21-2014 08:33 PM:

Re: Thats Not true

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Originally posted by Daniel D.
A majority vote can not over turn a hunting judge if the judge is going by the rules that are on back of the score card or in a ukc rule book.

I think you'd better re-read the rules on the back of that scorecard! Lol

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