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Posted by Jonathan Crump on 10-31-2013 04:15 PM:

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Posted by shakethevine on 10-31-2013 10:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
you do realize the majority of cancellation notices are going out to those on individual plans or in business for themselves.

bottom line, he lied why cant you admit it. its not a big coincidence all of this is happening as obamacare is being implemented


This is sooooooo simple it's not funny anymore!

1. If your policy doesn't not meet the minimum qualifications, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

2. If your company's policy does not meet the minimum qualifications......YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

3. If your company/business decides to bail on your benefits and put you out to pasture in the exchange land....YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!


Now if your policy and/or your companies policy meets minimum qualifications, then you can keep your insurance or seek insurance through the exchanges.....which is exactly what Obama was referring to when he made that statement 3 years ago!

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Posted by michael.magorian on 10-31-2013 10:52 PM:

He sure failed to mention the particulars when he was buying votes in the Senate to pass this crap, or when he was running for re-election.

If you were trying to stay informed, you understood before, but now everyone understands what a screw job the ACA is, but it is too late to much about it, until next November that is.

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Posted by Lee Stocking on 10-31-2013 11:06 PM:

Wrong Eric this is sssssooooooo simple. Originally Obama stated if we like what we have we get to keep it. Thats simple comprehension.



quote:
Originally posted by shakethevine
This is sooooooo simple it's not funny anymore!

1. If your policy doesn't not meet the minimum qualifications, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

2. If your company's policy does not meet the minimum qualifications......YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

3. If your company/business decides to bail on your benefits and put you out to pasture in the exchange land....YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!


Now if your policy and/or your companies policy meets minimum qualifications, then you can keep your insurance or seek insurance through the exchanges.....which is exactly what Obama was referring to when he made that statement 3 years ago!

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Posted by 408northville on 10-31-2013 11:14 PM:

Where I come from a real man, does what he say's he will do, if not he is a liar. "If you like your insurance you can keep it, period!
Liberals, the real Americans have you figured out, nothing you can say can change that.

Posted by rockett42 on 10-31-2013 11:54 PM:

insurance

How is the govt buisness if my insurance does not meet their requirments, have had it for yrs and am happy with it, recieved in the mail it will be dropped next yr....

Posted by TomPurdy on 11-01-2013 12:18 AM:

Re: insurance

quote:
Originally posted by rockett42
How is the govt buisness if my insurance does not meet their requirments, have had it for yrs and am happy with it, recieved in the mail it will be dropped next yr....


It appears to me the PRO-CHOICE party is not so worried about our RIGHT TO CHOOSE when our choices do not line up with their agenda!!!!

Posted by 408northville on 11-01-2013 12:21 AM:

The would have had the right to choose a different president if they knew what he promised was a lie. Squirm liberals.

Posted by rockett42 on 11-01-2013 12:39 AM:

ins

I was raised a Democrat, my dad was. his dad was. I dont see how any one that has any morals, has any christian values can look at them selves in the mirror and truly believe this country is not headed towards failure. We better start looking at the tea party for some leadership in this next election. And no I didnt vote for Obama, I could see through his crap right off the bat. Every democrat better take a long look at their party and wake up.......

Posted by 408northville on 11-01-2013 12:47 AM:

Re: ins

Same here Rockett, I am with you. Some of these guys posting are working for the current administration and just pretending to be houndsman. When a key word is used it's directed to these moles who go to battle for them. They used this method during the election.



quote:
Originally posted by rockett42
I was raised a Democrat, my dad was. his dad was. I dont see how any one that has any morals, has any christian values can look at them selves in the mirror and truly believe this country is not headed towards failure. We better start looking at the tea party for some leadership in this next election. And no I didnt vote for Obama, I could see through his crap right off the bat. Every democrat better take a long look at their party and wake up.......

Posted by rance56 on 11-01-2013 01:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shakethevine
This is sooooooo simple it's not funny anymore!

1. If your policy doesn't not meet the minimum qualifications, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

2. If your company's policy does not meet the minimum qualifications......YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

3. If your company/business decides to bail on your benefits and put you out to pasture in the exchange land....YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!


Now if your policy and/or your companies policy meets minimum qualifications, then you can keep your insurance or seek insurance through the exchanges.....which is exactly what Obama was referring to when he made that statement 3 years ago!



it was not sold to us as that, it was sold if we liked our policy we could keep it and that is not the case. if i sold an investment the way obama sold obamacare i would loose my license to do business and this is the president of the united states doing the deception.

how many folks because of losing their policy can no longer see doctors that they have been seeing for decades, i already know of a few.

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Posted by truly on 11-01-2013 02:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
it was not sold to us as that, it was sold if we liked our policy we could keep it and that is not the case. if i sold an investment the way obama sold obamacare i would loose my license to do business and this is the president of the united states doing the deception.

how many folks because of losing their policy can no longer see doctors that they have been seeing for decades, i already know of a few.
Actually it was sold as that. 3 years ago. This was covered and discussed at that time. It was made clear that you would be able to KEEP YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE PLAN if it still existed. You can.
One correction on Eric's comments, the insurance companies actually had the option to keep noncompliant plans running too. So long as they originated before the signing of PPACA. The insurance companies now fear that due to the more transparent marketplace and competitive market that they are better to cancel you and have you start with a new policy before you realize what a HORRIBLE plan you had. MOST OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE BEING CANCELED HAD JUNK PLANS AND WERE PAYING WAY MORE THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. Even if the rates were low the plans were just so poor that they weren't worth it.

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Posted by 408northville on 11-01-2013 02:52 PM:

No, He said "If you like your insurance you can keep it, Period!
If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor, period! You will save $2500 per year. All have been proven to be flat out lies.
No amount of word trickery can change those repeated lies.

Posted by rance56 on 11-01-2013 04:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Actually it was sold as that. 3 years ago. This was covered and discussed at that time. It was made clear that you would be able to KEEP YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE PLAN if it still existed. You can.
One correction on Eric's comments, the insurance companies actually had the option to keep noncompliant plans running too. So long as they originated before the signing of PPACA. The insurance companies now fear that due to the more transparent marketplace and competitive market that they are better to cancel you and have you start with a new policy before you realize what a HORRIBLE plan you had. MOST OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE BEING CANCELED HAD JUNK PLANS AND WERE PAYING WAY MORE THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE. Even if the rates were low the plans were just so poor that they weren't worth it.



lol, that is the spin now.

please tell me just how you know that most of the plans being cancelled were junk and way over priced. I ASK AGAIN PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW THIS IS FACTUAL!

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Posted by brushrunretiree on 11-01-2013 05:20 PM:

Dear Sir, Please Tell Me HOW Anyone With Moral Convictions, Can LOOK In A Mirror And Not Make Oneself Sick, By Supporting The BIGGEST LIAR Ever To Be In THE WHITE HOUSE?? If You Like Your Insurance, You Can Keep It. PERIOD!! If You Like Your Doctor, You Can Keep Him. PERIOD!! For Three Years He Has Spread These Lies, Deceiving The AMERICAN PEOPLE!! And You March To His Beating Drum. You Sir Have Been A Failure To The People Of West Virginia!! I Just Sent My Senators The Above Letter!! I'll Keep You Informed IF I Get A Reply!

Posted by Pat Bizich on 11-04-2013 03:16 AM:

This is sooooooo simple it's not funny anymore!

1. If your policy doesn't not meet the minimum qualifications, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

2. If your company's policy does not meet the minimum qualifications......YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD


You are right Eric it is not funny anymore .
Not when an 85 year old woman or a man must purchase "MATERNITY CARE" as part of their minimum insurance coverage requirement as written into the Obamacare law.

Furthermore just as he has in the past he now passes the blame on all the cancellations due to "BAD APPLE" insurance companies.

Really?? Well established Blue Cross/ Blue Shield Is one of those companies sending out thousands of notices here in Pa.

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Posted by truly on 11-04-2013 04:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by rance56
lol, that is the spin now.

please tell me just how you know that most of the plans being cancelled were junk and way over priced. I ASK AGAIN PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU KNOW THIS IS FACTUAL!
I know this is factual not only from first hand accounts of folks who work in the healthcare industry but also from numerous media outlets. Here is an example:
from Consumer Reports magazine -- March 2012

[...]
Judith Goss, 48, of Macomb, Mich., believed that the Cigna plan she obtained through her job at the Talbots retail chain was “some type of insurance that would cover something.” When the store she worked at closed in January 2011, she even paid $65 a month to keep the coverage through COBRA.
“I was aware that it wasn’t a great plan, but I wasn’t concerned because I wasn’t sick,” she says. But in July 2011 she was diagnosed with breast cancer, at which point the policy’s annual limits of $1,000 a year for outpatient treatment and $2,000 for hospitalization became a huge problem. Facing a $30,000 hospital bill, she delayed treatment. “Finally my surgeon said, ‘Judy, you can’t wait anymore.’ While I was waiting my tumor became larger. It was 3 centimeters when they found it and 9 centimeters when they took it out.” After a double mastectomy, radiation treatments, and reconstructive surgery, Goss is taking the drug tamoxifen to prevent recurrence.

The Talbots Cigna Starbridge plan is one of many similar mini-med insurance products aimed at workers in industries such as retail, food service, and temporary staffing agencies. Their hallmark is extremely limited benefits, often, as with the Talbots plan, no more than a few thousand dollars a year. A Cigna promotional brochure touts the plans as “coverage for everyone” and reassures employers that they don’t have to contribute to the cost of the coverage if they don’t want to.
[…]

I wish I knew how to bold things. But I don't, so go back and read that part about the "annual limit of $1,000 a year for outpatient treatment and $2,000 for hospitalization".
This woman is paying nearly 800$ per year and the most she can get back is 3000$ in any year. That is junk insurance. Just about every insurer offers a few junk plans because they know there are consumers who want to buy junk. It gives them peace of mind. Then when they need it they are left to die or go bankrupt.
One of the huge advantages of Obamacare that I have talked about before is the requirement that all policies have a standard 4 page summary that explains in PLAIN ENGLISH what the benefits/caps/limits are. Even though some of these policies could have been grandfathered in, once consumers realize how junky the policy was they will never want to do business with that insurer again. And they will be able to use this standardized summary to do this. Many of those high deductible junk policies paid back only 60-70 cents on the dollar. They now must reach the threshold of 80% payback. SO even though these might be grandfathered in, once you can do an "apples to apples" comparison you would no longer want that policy.

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Posted by truly on 11-04-2013 04:45 AM:

Rance,
here is the link to the Consumers Reports article. The truth will set you free.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...rance/index.htm

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Posted by truly on 11-04-2013 05:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pat Bizich
This is sooooooo simple it's not funny anymore!

1. If your policy doesn't not meet the minimum qualifications, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD!

2. If your company's policy does not meet the minimum qualifications......YOU ARE GOING TO GET A CANCELLATION NOTICE.......PERIOD


You are right Eric it is not funny anymore .
Not when an 85 year old woman or a man must purchase "MATERNITY CARE" as part of their minimum insurance coverage requirement as written into the Obamacare law.

Furthermore just as he has in the past he now passes the blame on all the cancellations due to "BAD APPLE" insurance companies.

Really?? Well established Blue Cross/ Blue Shield Is one of those companies sending out thousands of notices here in Pa.
Pat, why would an 85 year old person be buying insurance? Wouldn't it be provided for them under Medicare/Medicaid?

Junk insurance can be bought from otherwise reputable companies. These are "bad apple" policies, not necessarily bad apple insurers. If you want to know more about that check out the Consumer Reports link.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-04-2013 07:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by truly
Pat, why would an 85 year old person be buying insurance? Wouldn't it be provided for them under Medicare/Medicaid?

Junk insurance can be bought from otherwise reputable companies. These are "bad apple" policies, not necessarily bad apple insurers. If you want to know more about that check out the Consumer Reports link.

Many older Americans purchase policies on their own as a supplement to their Medicare.
And regaurdless of age & gender you pay for maternity care ...If people wanted to purchase these as you call them "bad apple"plans & keep them that's their business but people who had top of the line insurance , the so called "cadillac plans"are also being dropped every policy in the market covers the exact same things reguardless of need, health condition , age the only diffence is the cost of out of pocket , co-pays & deductibles. And the more money you make the more it will cost you .
Our president & his administration lied repeatedly & continue to do so they have no reguard for the American people -their agenda is all that matters . This ACA thing has blown up in their face . Many in their own party are pretending to distance themselves as much as possible. Aside from people being dropped ,cost skyrocketing , & the exchanges being a disaster to get signed up on they pose a serious risk to your personal information . Even Medicaid & Medicare are concerned that people signing up on the exchanges could have their personal info stolen.

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Posted by 408northville on 11-04-2013 12:26 PM:

Accept the fact that president is not creditable any more. Nothing anyone can say will change that now and things are only going to get worse from here.

Posted by hillbilly56 on 11-04-2013 01:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Many older Americans purchase policies on their own as a supplement to their Medicare.
And regaurdless of age & gender you pay for maternity care ...If people wanted to purchase these as you call them "bad apple"plans & keep them that's their business but people who had top of the line insurance , the so called "cadillac plans"are also being dropped every policy in the market covers the exact same things reguardless of need, health condition , age the only diffence is the cost of out of pocket , co-pays & deductibles. And the more money you make the more it will cost you .
Our president & his administration lied repeatedly & continue to do so they have no reguard for the American people -their agenda is all that matters . This ACA thing has blown up in their face . Many in their own party are pretending to distance themselves as much as possible. Aside from people being dropped ,cost skyrocketing , & the exchanges being a disaster to get signed up on they pose a serious risk to your personal information . Even Medicaid & Medicare are concerned that people signing up on the exchanges could have their personal info stolen.
from what i ubderstand if your on medicare you can't get another policy through oboma care that will take care of the 20 percent that medicare doesn't pay and i can't afforrd a supplement aarp wants over 200 dollars a month for a policy 1 my buddys is paying like 279 per month takes most of my social security to just live on

Posted by Pat Bizich on 11-04-2013 02:17 PM:

There are retired persons that still get co-insurance through their former employer.In order for the insurance plan to meet the new standards the policy needs to be rewritten to meet the new requirements at increased costs to the policy holder.Also there is medigap or Medicare advantage plans.
Now remember Medicare charges around 100.00 per month now plus the costs of the "gap" insurance you need to purchase to cover costs medicare will not pay.
Everyone thinks Medicare is the great retirement insurance plan.IT IS GARBAGE until you purchase supplemental insurance to fill in the gaps medicare DOES NOT PAY. That is why an 85 year old needs another insurance plan.
I have had first hand experience from caring for and helping family and friends through finances because they were on medicare.

65.00 for a Cobra plan.WOW!!No wonder she had virtually no coverage.Cobra's usually run over 500.00 and into the thousands per month if you want the same coverage you had while working.

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Posted by hillbilly56 on 11-04-2013 04:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Pat Bizich
There are retired persons that still get co-insurance through their former employer.In order for the insurance plan to meet the new standards the policy needs to be rewritten to meet the new requirements at increased costs to the policy holder.Also there is medigap or Medicare advantage plans.
Now remember Medicare charges around 100.00 per month now plus the costs of the "gap" insurance you need to purchase to cover costs medicare will not pay.
Everyone thinks Medicare is the great retirement insurance plan.IT IS GARBAGE until you purchase supplemental insurance to fill in the gaps medicare DOES NOT PAY. That is why an 85 year old needs another insurance plan.
I have had first hand experience from caring for and helping family and friends through finances because they were on medicare.

65.00 for a Cobra plan.WOW!!No wonder she had virtually no coverage.Cobra's usually run over 500.00 and into the thousands per month if you want the same coverage you had while working.
i pay 109 per month for medicare as far as keeping your employer ins you better have alot of money my cobra plan would have cost me 1000 per month but they wanted paid quaterly which would have been 3000 every 3 mons and i don't think obomacare will help me from what i understand and your right medicare does not pay 100 percent which i think they should because you pay into it all your life

Posted by truly on 11-04-2013 04:06 PM:

Medicare’s administrative costs were $8 billion in 2011, or 1.4 percent of total Medicare spending of $549 billion that year. Those figures come from the latest annual report of the Medicare trustees, prepared by OACT (Office of the Actuary within the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services)

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