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Posted by Dwils on 08-06-2013 01:55 PM:

Wish someone would propose a rule : you may squall without waiting the 7 if all cast members agree its ok . Or just be like PKC and the make it not even a voting matter .

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 08-06-2013 03:06 PM:

I missed one proposal for the ballot, that will be added periodically. Has to do with 6(I) and will get it added shortly.

Posted by HOBO on 08-06-2013 03:46 PM:

I don't care for the tree count down or spectators shinning trees.

If you keep loosing cast to a dog that is covering your dog maybe you need to look at your dog and not the other guys.

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 08-06-2013 04:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Proposal 6 is probably the very worst proposal I have seen since I have been in this sport.
Any numbnuts getting his ass handed to him can walk by my dog while everyone is diligently searching the tree and yell "this dog just grabbed me!!!". Uh, well, grabbing is certainly aggressive, that dog is scratched!

In Indiana, the sheriffs dept is required by law to investigate and order confined any dog that bites a human. Even if that human owns the dog that bit it. That outweighs anything UKC can put in it's ruleb book and I seriously doubt Indiana is the only state with such a law.

You wouldn't feel that way if you got bit by a dog at the tree like I did. I see your point about the rule being abused and would like it to require some sort of evidence like more than one person saw it or teeth marks or something like that. But in my case I drew a pretty well known stud that kept running everything off the tree and was a light broke angel when we would get in. Well my dog comes back in once 'ol gator got tied back and starts treeing and I had to walk between him and the tree to handle my dog. Well that great big 110 lb. Dog lunged out and bit me on my hand as I walked by. Definately pissed me off that he could get off free with that one and go on and get qualified for the world hunt. In my opinion he should have got his butt shoved back in the box and on his way back to where he came from. Agression towards people should have worse consequences than fighting with dogs in my opinion. When a dog fight breaks out, in most cases it is impossible to tell who started it but both of them are dang sure finishing it. When a dog shows agressive behavior towards or actually bites a person it will be highly likely that the only party at fault is the dog. JMO hunting agressive dogs like that and not having rules in place punishing and trying to prevent it could leave individuals, clubs, or UKC wide open to lawsuits, in the case someone gets seriously injured by a dog. Like you said yourself, Indiana has strict laws regarding dog bites and quarantines them.

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Posted by tim griffin on 08-06-2013 04:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
[B]I don't care for the tree count down or spectators shinning trees.

If you keep loosing cast to a dog that is covering your dog maybe you need to look at your dog and not the other g uys. [/ B]

the tree countdown is to give points to the dogs that deserves the points. a dog that comes in and covers 1:45 after a dog trees does not deserve 75 points and if you think he does. you need to check what's on the end of your lead cause your dog is doing the covering

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Posted by HOBO on 08-06-2013 05:15 PM:

Then change the rules on babbling idiots....

My dogs usually handle themselves ok in the hunts when I choose to enter one.

I've been beaten before by the me tooers as well as by the gator who wanted the tree all to their self and by slick handlers. But I never once thought hey they need to change the rules so my dogs can win.

Like I said in a post a week or so ago these hunt rules have been tweaked to death the last 40 or so years you would think we would have them right by now.

Posted by HOBO on 08-06-2013 05:18 PM:

If your using the nite hunt system for breeding purposes your going about breeding all wrong.

Posted by JiM on 08-06-2013 05:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by kayapellijed390
You wouldn't feel that way if you got bit by a dog at the tree like I did. I see your point about the rule being abused and would like it to require some sort of evidence like more than one person saw it or teeth marks or something like that. But in my case I drew a pretty well known stud that kept running everything off the tree and was a light broke angel when we would get in. Well my dog comes back in once 'ol gator got tied back and starts treeing and I had to walk between him and the tree to handle my dog. Well that great big 110 lb. Dog lunged out and bit me on my hand as I walked by. Definately pissed me off that he could get off free with that one and go on and get qualified for the world hunt. In my opinion he should have got his butt shoved back in the box and on his way back to where he came from. Agression towards people should have worse consequences than fighting with dogs in my opinion. When a dog fight breaks out, in most cases it is impossible to tell who started it but both of them are dang sure finishing it. When a dog shows agressive behavior towards or actually bites a person it will be highly likely that the only party at fault is the dog. JMO hunting agressive dogs like that and not having rules in place punishing and trying to prevent it could leave individuals, clubs, or UKC wide open to lawsuits, in the case someone gets seriously injured by a dog. Like you said yourself, Indiana has strict laws regarding dog bites and quarantines them.

If you had called the Sheriffs Dept and reported that dog for biting you, what would have followed for the owner would have made getting scratched seem like nothing at all. And that is my point, biting dogs are not something that should be handled with a new UKC rule. This has nothing to do with UKC or the hunt rules. It has only to do with you, the owner and the law.

Your solution, a rule that scratches the dog says nothing more than "my hand will be just fine if I can get rid of that dog and win this cast".

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Posted by Lance Laymon on 08-06-2013 06:19 PM:

I vote no on all rule changes. It took me a lot of time and money in lost hunts to learn these rules and I don't want to start all over.

Posted by wadepardue on 08-06-2013 09:41 PM:

I like the countdown rule, it is long overdue, but I am going to bet there are too many ME TO DOGS being hunted to ever get this rule changed. Sometimes , BUT NOT ALWAYS, change really can be for the better.

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Posted by Billy George on 08-06-2013 11:08 PM:

If the countdown rule passes UKC has to make first tree 100. It all ready gives the dog that get first tree a 50 point advantage, so why should first tree be rewarded twice by giving him 75?

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Posted by JiM on 08-06-2013 11:22 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Billy George
If the countdown rule passes UKC has to make first tree 100. It all ready gives the dog that get first tree a 50 point advantage, so why should first tree be rewarded twice by giving him 75?

WWWWHAT?
Now that don't make a lick of sense.

Posted by Billy George on 08-06-2013 11:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
WWWWHAT?
Now that don't make a lick of sense.

After one minute you can only tree in for 50, first tree is 125 that's a 75 point swing on first tree..

Posted by GA DAWG on 08-06-2013 11:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Billy George
After one minute you can only tree in for 50, first tree is 125 that's a 75 point swing on first tree..

As it should be. Reward the coon treeing dog. Not the hitch hiker that gets there s min late. If its that slow on track. It does not even deserve the 50.

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Posted by tim griffin on 08-07-2013 12:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
As it should be. Reward the coon treeing dog. Not the hitch hiker that gets there s min late. If its that slow on track. It does not even deserve the 50.

Posted by Tim MACHA on 08-07-2013 01:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
As it should be. Reward the coon treeing dog. Not the hitch hiker that gets there s min late. If its that slow on track. It does not even deserve the 50.

I see your point, but I am afraid that handlers will train their dog to NEVER EVER cover. Then you will have the cast walking all night from one tree to another. Don't try to tell me that won't happen.

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Posted by tim griffin on 08-07-2013 02:01 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim MACHA
I see your point, but I am afraid that handlers will train their dog to NEVER EVER cover. Then you will have the cast walking all night from one tree to another. Don't try to tell me thawt won't happen.

would you rather have dogs that trees coons or backpackers. Last i checked we was wanting dogs that treed coons

Posted by Tim MACHA on 08-07-2013 02:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tim griffin
would you rather have dogs that trees coons or backpackers. Last i checked we was wanting dogs that treed coons

If you got that dog that trees coon, why worry about the backpacker? At least the back packer won't make the cast walk half a mile to it's tree and possibly keep you leash locked.

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Posted by tim griffin on 08-07-2013 02:50 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tim MACHA
If you got that dog that trees coon, why worry about the backpacker? At least the back packer won't make the cast walk half a mile to it's tree and possibly keep you leash locked.

why credit them for doing it makes no sense

Posted by Tim MACHA on 08-07-2013 03:04 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by tim griffin
why credit them for doing it makes no sense

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. My main point is that I hate to see a dog get the switch at home anytime it covers. That is what the count down will do.

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Posted by patches9452 on 08-07-2013 03:06 AM:

around here if you have complete loners the strike will win the hunt if they are accurate cause one turnout and one tree a piece is all you will get.... you may have longer to hunt but the deadline will get you before you can score them all

Posted by H&H Blueticks on 08-07-2013 05:31 AM:

I would like to see Pkc tree rules in the ukc hunts

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Posted by Lance Laymon on 08-07-2013 12:03 PM:

If you like PKC rules better hunt Pkc leave UKC rules alone.

Posted by HERSHSHUNTIN on 08-07-2013 01:19 PM:

Clubs

Something to think about. I justed took a look at the numbers in the back of Bloodlines. my question is how will some of these new rules effect the number of dogs in the hunts? as it is there are an a lot of hunts with very low enteries, many in the single digits and its in all parts of the country. if some of these rules are changed I believe that we will see even lower dogs entered.
if the clubs can't afford to hold hunts because they don't break even it's going to destroy coonhunting comp hunts in this registry in my opinion. lets think this tru before we jump overboard.without our clubs the changes to the rules mean nothing if we don't have hunts to hunt in.

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Posted by sox12 on 08-07-2013 02:00 PM:

The tree count down,not to bad.spectators shineing trees not to good,i have seen where their's enough probablems in a cast with friends drawing out and circle or plus trees when you have a 3 dog cast,where majority only has to agree how to score a tree.

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