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Re: Re: pleasure hunters

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
A competition dog and a coondog are 2 different things babbling would never be accepted if it couldn't help them win

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Isn't not rocket science. If you award points for dogs barking. People will breed dogs that bark sooner.

I honestly believe the rules would work the they were intended if dogs still hunted the same way. Four dogs one coon. See who can tree it the fastest. That's not at all what goes on though. Coonhounds have evolved. The strike rules have not. Again strike points are awarded for barking. Its that simple. Doesn't have to be a coon. Doesn't have to be anything. Just bark. Get your mouth open quick. Lol yep. That's how they work.

honest

my dog is 100 percent honest and I like it that way.and also he is tight on track.i have came to appreciate the honest/tight hound.it does hurt sometimes but if coons are thin he will go find one and the other dogs don't know he is workin a track till its to late [first tree].most of the first strike dogs ive hunted against are just that [first strike dogs] not coondogs. so never has worried me much in 2 hour hunt.but if you got a first sirike [coondog]you will doe well in the hunts

bab

I think babbling is bred into dogs and I think some of it is starting them to early to keep up I hunted with a guy training a pup he would turn her lose on feed buckets on water only so when she was trained up he would guide turn her lose on water first strike ever time all dogs have faults u just need to decide if good out weighs bad kind a like that's first time he ever did that or you on hunt and you start to tree your dog comes to you with blood all over him both ears gone the guy looks at u and says my dogs isn't mean if a man doesn't know his dog is babbling or slick treeing or mean then he just bought him never hunted him or don't care as long as they win

high strung

most of the big winners are high strung dogs that have a very good trainer keeping them hunted down. most people couldn't handle one but they all go breed to him because he wins. then they get a bunch of very high stung hard going pups they cant handle. some of the best are outlaws the right man got a hold of. jmo

Open mouth on track may be bred into a dog but babbling is a training fault. Just like running junk, babbling is a correctable situation. You have to be smarter than the dog you are trying to train. Let the pup mature enough before you put it in the woods and a lot of problems never surface and it makes training a pup a lot more enjoyable.

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Bred to good babblers c what you get two fighters two slickers two thrashers most dogs now days are very high strung back in the day 40 or more years ago u never had all this slicking babbling nor meaness You get what you bred if hunting or treeing isn't bred in a dog you can't beat or train it in them that being said if we all had same likes or opinions world and dogs would be boring

Re: Re: Re: pleasure hunters

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Ignorant statement

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Re: Re: Re: pleasure hunters

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Ignorant statement

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Probably the same is the comp dogs I would think. Only difference being the babblers are culled by pleasure hunters or sold to comp hunters that like those first strike points. It's no secret that the only person that would want a babbler is a comp hunter. NOT ALL COMP HUNTERS WANT OR WILL HUNT BABBLERS (so dont try to twist my words, I already said there are some tremendous coondogs in the comp world just saying the babblers/tree happy dogs are hunted by comp hunters the majority of the time) but NO pleasure/hide hunter would want one.

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You can bet that those defending them are toting them. Those lying cheating hounds need planted almost as deep as their handlers.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: pleasure hunters

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Originally posted by buzzardcreek
spoken just like someone that doesn't sign his name to his post

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Lmao seriously. Me not signing my name to a post is your best response. Your statement that a competition dog and a coondog are two different things shows ignorance. This site doesn't require me to use my name but prohound does so come over their and then beside my name you will see the dollars earned and my SCH " coondogs" name and the promising young cooner I am hunting now, oh yeah and they are walkers too. So come on over and make that statement . Pick out a competition hound that is well known and explain what doesn't qualify him in your eyes as a coondog, of course other the fact as you have stated that its a competition dog

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Boys its a COMPETITION hunt not a buddy hunt.

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Originally posted by Aaron Siniavsky
Boys its a COMPETITION hunt not a buddy hunt.

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perry conner?

perry conner are you sayin you hunt and win with a babbling hound?because there is a difference in a good strike dog and a babbler.i thought we were talkin about babblers. and also OPEN orTIGHT its simply different strokes for different folks

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Originally posted by masonman1974
perry conner are you sayin you hunt and win with a babbling hound?because there is a difference in a good strike dog and a babbler.i thought we were talkin about babblers. and also OPEN orTIGHT its simply different strokes for different folks

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Originally posted by Randy Tallon
You can bet that those defending them are toting them. Those lying cheating hounds need planted almost as deep as their handlers.

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Originally posted by Rough N Ready
I was pleasure hunting the other night and soon as my friend turned his walker off the lead he barked non stop. He did this for 5 drops till I got tired of listening to it and called it a night

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Originally posted by Cry Tough Blues
Lmao seriously. Me not signing my name to a post is your best response. Your statement that a competition dog and a coondog are two different things shows ignorance. This site doesn't require me to use my name but prohound does so come over their and then beside my name you will see the dollars earned and my SCH " coondogs" name and the promising young cooner I am hunting now, oh yeah and they are walkers too. So come on over and make that statement . Pick out a competition hound that is well known and explain what doesn't qualify him in your eyes as a coondog, of course other the fact as you have stated that its a competition dog

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strike

in a 2 hour hunt a good first strike dog don't worrie me but in a 1 hour hunt [wow] that babbling me too dog could be dangerous

no different than breeding slick treeing idiots that had the check the tree bred out of them ! both are faults I can't stand !

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Originally posted by bluedawg1963
I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

Big John Whigham

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IMO babbling is not the dog's fault it's the handler's fault for letting the dog get away with it. I've personally never seen a young dog or pup just leave the truck barking or babbling. I have seen them bark because they were excited, I've seen them bark because they couldn't keep up or catch up with the dogs they were being hunted with, and I've seen them bark because they were simply running the other dogs. That is why I believe that babbling is a learned behavior. Yes it's a bad/annoying habit, but one that can be easily fixed with a shocking system!! These guys with these babbling dogs either don't know much about hunting, or don't want to correct them for 1 reason!!

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