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You can score a coon unlimited times, you can only score a TREE once.

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You can score a coon unlimited times, you can only score a TREE once.

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if they touch after shining starts i'm calling for a vote !

Well. you can call for a vote anytime on anything but be prepared to get overruled on this one if it goes all the way because demanding a change after shinetime starts won't make the trip.

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All I'm saying ONE coon can only climb ONE tree. Especially if they are fifty feet apart. Two trees two inches apart he may touch both on his way up but unless he has legs that are 25 feet long he couldn't have climbed two trees 50 feet apart at one time. At best I say one dog gets plus and one dog gets circled if its that big and overgrown that you may have missed another coon.

i'm not taking it back to the clubhouse this is a matter for the majority ! not the 2 hour maniac with the card who can see in the dark all the way up there to make the call before shine time starts !

Might have been 2 coon but you only found 1 of them . Which one did you find ?

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Originally posted by JiM
Steve, I don't think this situation is about a judge correcting a mistake.
Anytime you allow this decision ( scoring as one tree or separate trees) to be made AFTER shining starts, you open the door to that decision being made based on how it effects the scoring of individual dogs. To me, scoring a tree based on who it helps or hurts is far worse than the possibility that someone might get a bad break that is discovered AFTER the process has properly been followed.

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Originally posted by JiM
Well. you can call for a vote anytime on anything but be prepared to get overruled on this one if it goes all the way because demanding a change after shinetime starts won't make the trip.

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So do I but that isn't the situation we are talking about here.

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So what some posters are saying is you have to minus one and plus the other one. It was stated the judge was unable to tell which tree the coon was in, so you all would okay with plusing the other dog and minusing yours? I guess the only fair way would be minus both cause you don't know which tree the coon is in, right?

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I got an idea...if trees touch another tree then we count the tree as unscorable. Simple solution, now all you guys that don't want to go by the rules as counting the trees as one can just say this tree touches another tree so that means we can't score it because it is possible that the dog treeing missed the coon because the coon is in another tree and not in the EXACT tree it is treeing on. So if your dog trees on a small tree or grape vine that TOUCHES a large tree and the coon is in the large tree then your dog obviously missed the coon because we all know that a coon will not climb a different tree or climb a vine to get into another tree. A coon will also not tap a tree and go fifty feet to another tree. Somebody really needs to let these coons know we are on to them and their little ways they try to confuse us with the rules.

The whole point is this, the judge makes the call to score the trees as one and every cast member has the right to question it. It is not questioned and the shine time starts it is to late to question the call.


Sorry for the sarcastic parts of this post but I really don't see how a hunter or person of average intelligence could look at a scenario with two dogs on separate trees that touch with the coon seen sitting in the middle of where the trees touch and say one dog needs to be minused and the other plussed. For everyone of you that have made this comment there is one thing not one of you have stated, how are you going to determine which dog deserves plus and which one deserves minus?

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
Jim the problem with the judge makeing the decision prior to shine time is that the rest of the cast doesnt have the ability to question the call until they are allowed to put their lights in the tree. I agree and i always try to make the decision right away to avoid it becomeing an issue but if during shine time a handler finds a coon in a connecting tree and shows me a legitimate crossout i have no problem plussing his coon.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

Brian,
So if a coon taps a tree and then goes fifty feet and climbs another tree, which one do you want your dog treeing on? Just wandering since I must not be of average intelligence because I don't see how you could give both dogs credit for the same coon.

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Originally posted by pjeremie
... I don't see how you could give both dogs credit for the same coon.

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Originally posted by pjeremie
Brian,
So if a coon taps a tree and then goes fifty feet and climbs another tree, which one do you want your dog treeing on? Just wandering since I must not be of average intelligence because I don't see how you could give both dogs credit for the same coon.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

I have always judged this situation like this! If you go to a tree and the dogs are split in close proximity we vote right then before scoring, if the trees touch they're scored as one, if they don't then they're split! Never had any trouble or anyone disagree with this method in a cast. Same as a single dog treeing and the coon is in the tree right next to the tree the dog is treeing on, if they touch plus em' up of they don't score accordingly!!

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